# Whom would you sue? (Las Vegas shooting victims) **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 21, 2017, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-would-you-sue-las-vegas-shooting-victims/802332 "2017-11-21T23:20:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-would-you-sue-las-vegas-shooting-victims/802332/41 "2017-11-22T12:30:44Z")
Do hotels in Las Vegas have a “no firearm” policy? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-would-you-sue-las-vegas-shooting-victims/802332/42 "2017-11-22T13:35:34Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > [weaponizing the drone has already been done](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqHrTtvFFIs), although I don’t think any terrorist has used them to snipe or bomb people yet. Like you said, it’s only a matter of time. ISIS has been using drones to drop grenades rigged as bombs for a while now. They film the results. I’m sure you can google the videos out of Syria. > [@Isamu](#): > > Do hotels in Las Vegas have a “no firearm” policy? Nevada is an open carry state. It’s legal to carry a firearm anywhere. It’s up to the individual casino to have a no gun policy but it doesn’t have the weight of law. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-would-you-sue-las-vegas-shooting-victims/802332/43 "2017-11-22T17:36:23Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > I don’t really see why one would sue anyone for the loss of a loved one. Well, they didn’t die of natural causes. Someone deliberately murdered them, causing their death and your consequent pain and suffering, among many other horrific damages. I don’t blame the victims one bit for suing anyone they can think of. They deserve as much money as they can get. That said, as far as I can tell, this is one of those “too fucking bad” situations where there really is no one else at fault besides the murderer, who is now dead. And while somewhat wealthy, his estate won’t begin to cover the damage he caused. Of course, if the concert organizer or hotel were in any way negligent or at fault, they should pay. But I just don’t see how they are, or what they reasonably could have done differently. And of course suing the weapons manufacturers is silly. I think there should at least be a common fund we can all contribute to that will pay out in these situations, similar to natural disaster relief. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-would-you-sue-las-vegas-shooting-victims/802332/44 "2017-11-22T17:46:59Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > That said, as far as I can tell, this is one of those “too fucking bad” situations where there really is no one else at fault besides the murderer, who is now dead. And while somewhat wealthy, his estate won’t begin to cover the damage he caused. > > Of course, if the concert organizer or hotel were in any way negligent or at fault, they should pay. But I just don’t see how they are, or what they reasonably could have done differently. And of course suing the weapons manufacturers is silly. I have to tell potential clients all the time that there is no one to sue for the misfortune that came their way. In many cases, it is important to do a little investigation into the law and facts before we give that advice. I don’t know what these lawyers in the Vegas lawsuit did or didn’t do before deciding on these defendants, but I expect they have a good faith basis to allege negligence. Civil Rule 11 requires that: > [@](#): > > ``` > (b) Representations to Court.  By presenting to the court (whether by signing, filing, submitting, or later advocating) a pleading, written motion, or other paper, an attorney or unrepresented party is certifying that to the best of the person’s knowledge, information, and belief, formed after an inquiry reasonable under the circumstances,— > > (1) it is not being presented for any improper purpose, such as to harass or to cause unnecessary delay or needless increase in the cost of litigation; > (2) the claims, defenses, and other legal contentions therein are warranted by existing law or by a nonfrivolous argument for the extension, modification, or reversal of existing law or the establishment of new law; > > (3) the allegations and other factual contentions have evidentiary support or, if specifically so identified, are likely to have evidentiary support after a reasonable opportunity for further investigation or discovery; and > > (4) the denials of factual contentions are warranted on the evidence or, if specifically so identified, are reasonably based on a lack of information or belief. > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-would-you-sue-las-vegas-shooting-victims/802332/45 "2017-11-22T19:38:53Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Is it possible to sue the Founding Fathers for the 2nd amendment? 😃 > [@SamuelA](#): > > This is a nasty issue. The conservatives who think people should be individually responsible for their own medical care? How do they think this type of scenario should be handled? Present-day conservatives? If your stock picking is so bad that you don’t have millions squirreled away to cover a medical emergency, you deserve what you get. Index funds like VAGIX are one answer. Even very simple investing would have turned the $1,000,000 Daddy gave you into several million by today. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-would-you-sue-las-vegas-shooting-victims/802332/46 "2017-11-22T19:58:14Z")
I don’t think there is anyone to sue, unless you want to live in a police state where you are constantly going through checkpoints and under surveillance, and even then someone could find a way. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-would-you-sue-las-vegas-shooting-victims/802332/47 "2017-11-22T20:58:58Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I AM a lawyer, and I gotta admit it kinda surprised me to see this suit had been filed…Did anyone sue the Colorado movie theater?.. [Yes](http://www.denverpost.com/2016/06/30/cinemark-aurora-theater-shooting-victims-legal-fees/). And it was such a stupid idea that the theatre was awarded nearly $700,000 in legal fees (I believe that the theatre eventually decided not to pursue collection). Suing is not a good idea just because somebody tangentially associated with the case may have money. As for the Vegas case, I’d sue the shooter. He’s dead, of course, but I would seek a portion of his estate to pay my medical bills were I a victim. I may never collect, but at least I’d obtain some measure of retribution against the killer. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-would-you-sue-las-vegas-shooting-victims/802332/48 "2017-11-22T21:17:36Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > I don’t think there is anyone to sue, unless you want to live in a police state where you are constantly going through checkpoints and under surveillance, and even then someone could find a way. I agree. The one responsible is dead and there is only so much that we can _reasonabl_y prepare for. ---
**Author:** ![MacSpon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/34f0e0/32.png) [@MacSpon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacSpon)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-would-you-sue-las-vegas-shooting-victims/802332/49 "2017-11-23T00:38:37Z")
Hell, sue the NRA for enabling this short of shit. Or—since I doubt that any lawsuits are going to get far, really—try learning to manage your grief more appropriately. ---
**Author:** ![MacSpon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/34f0e0/32.png) [@MacSpon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacSpon)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-would-you-sue-las-vegas-shooting-victims/802332/50 "2017-11-23T00:43:02Z")
Double post…sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Lickety\_Split\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/67e7ee/32.png) [@Lickety\_Split\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lickety_Split_1)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-would-you-sue-las-vegas-shooting-victims/802332/51 "2017-11-23T01:00:15Z")
I’d love to sue the NRA. It is their powerful and greedy and thoughtless lobbying over the past three decades or so that has continually enabled citizens to purchase assault rifles; a weapon they have absolutely NO use or need for. Well, unless they want to carry-out a mass shooting, that is. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-would-you-sue-las-vegas-shooting-victims/802332/52 "2017-11-23T01:14:00Z")
> [@Lickety\_Split](#): > > I’d love to sue the NRA. > > It is their powerful and greedy and thoughtless lobbying over the past three decades or so that has continually enabled citizens to purchase assault rifles; a weapon they have absolutely NO use or need for. Well, unless they want to carry-out a mass shooting, that is. And we’re off to the races! You’ll pardon me if I, a free citizen of voting age, have scant regard for _your_ opinion of _my_ needs, or the lawful uses to which I purpose my own personal property, or the liberties _I_ choose to exercise under the Constitution of the United States, and its Amendments. The level of sheer, unadulterated ignorance you display with regards to firearms should, in-and-of-itself, get you booted for being an “idiot ass clown” from a message board dedicated to fighting ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-would-you-sue-las-vegas-shooting-victims/802332/53 "2017-11-23T01:53:28Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > The level of sheer, unadulterated ignorance you display with regards to firearms should, in-and-of-itself, get you booted for being an “idiot ass clown” from a message board dedicated to fighting ignorance. You know you need to take it to the Pit if you’ve got a problem with a poster. Don’t dish personal insults in this forum. ---
**Author:** ![Lickety\_Split\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/67e7ee/32.png) [@Lickety\_Split\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lickety_Split_1)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-would-you-sue-las-vegas-shooting-victims/802332/54 "2017-11-23T02:39:03Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > And we’re off to the races! > > You’ll pardon me if I, a free citizen of voting age, have scant regard for _your_ opinion of _my_ needs, or the lawful uses to which I purpose my own personal property, or the liberties _I_ choose to exercise under the Constitution of the United States, and its Amendments. > > The level of sheer, unadulterated ignorance you display with regards to firearms should, in-and-of-itself, get you booted for being an “idiot ass clown” from a message board dedicated to fighting ignorance. Who’s the ass? I was asked whom I would sue. I answered. So…the fact that you disagree with my opinion is a big, fat “YP” and not an “MP.” Your problem, genius. And…no–thankfully, I don’t know you. But I DO know you don’t need an assault rifle. You may feel you do, as compensation for your dire lacking down below, but again…that’s a YP. LOL Thanks for sharing. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-would-you-sue-las-vegas-shooting-victims/802332/55 "2017-11-23T03:58:51Z")
> [@Lickety\_Split](#): > > Who’s the ass? > > I was asked whom I would sue. I answered. So…the fact that you disagree with my opinion is a big, fat “YP” and not an “MP.” > > Your problem, genius. > > And…no–thankfully, I don’t know you. But I DO know you don’t need an assault rifle. You may feel you do, as compensation for your dire lacking down below, but again…that’s a YP. > > LOL > > Thanks for sharing. And that will earn you a warning, as well. Take it to the Pit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-would-you-sue-las-vegas-shooting-victims/802332.md?page=2)