# Who's got the most obnoxious group of supporters: Ron Paul 2012 or Bernie Sanders 2016? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 6, 2015, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828 "2015-11-06T18:19:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2015, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/21 "2015-11-07T01:52:54Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Normies who support Koch Cuck Kasich or Jeb Bush tend to have the most obnoxious fanbases obviously as well as anyone who supported Chafee. Chafee had a fanbase?! ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2015, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/22 "2015-11-07T02:57:55Z")
I’m _only_ commenting on the fringe supporters, but the Hillary Hysterics despite being a minority of Hillary supporters are probably the most obnoxious. Make _any_ sort of non-worshipful comment about Hillary–even a factual, objective one like “Hillary is perceived–rightly or wrongly–as being dishonest” and this fringe (but vocal) crowd of Hillarybots have tantrums and hysterical outbursts of manic denial that make Trump supporters look rational. And given how _dumb_ and hysterical the Trump fringes get, that’s going some. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2015, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/23 "2015-11-07T03:04:56Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I think people using the term “cuck,” with its intensely racist overtones and links to white supremacists are in the running. More accurately, I’ve been appropriating the term to put it to more accurate usage-namely the Republican candidates who are undisputedly cuckold for the plutocratic caste especially considering the delightful and providential coincidence of the term’s homophonity with the Koch Brothers. ---
**Author:** ![FightMyIgnorance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71e660/32.png) [@FightMyIgnorance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FightMyIgnorance)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2015, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/24 "2015-11-07T04:28:53Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Bernie’s: they don’t know they’re fringe. Paul’s supporters did. Oh trust me, I’m well aware of how fringe my views are… You know, I think I’m starting to understand how Tea Party types feel wrt the “establishment” portions of their party. It makes me feel sick thinking of me and Tea Party types as kindred spirits. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2015, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/25 "2015-11-07T09:24:02Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Normies who support Koch Cuck Kasich or Jeb Bush tend to have the most obnoxious fanbases obviously as well as anyone who supported Chafee. I wonder what Chafee fanbase you have been running into. When he was running seemed pretty reasonable himself, as far as that goes. Then again, in this post you seem to be annoyed at “normal” people in general. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2015, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/26 "2015-11-07T09:27:20Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I’ll just mention a good distinction I’ve heard drawn between the two campaigns. Ron Paul encouraged many of his supporters to read about the philosophy and to continue their learning. Sanders coddles his supporters by telling them whatever they already believe in is true. > > Paul name dropped giants like Mises, Rothbard, Hayek, and Bastiat. Who does Bernie talk about? FDR and Lyndon Johnson? Lol. Bernie is a perfect candidate for Generation Wimp, a generation afraid to grapple with tough realities like scarcity and supply and demand. I like what little I know of Bastiat, but what kind of “giant” is _Rothbard?_ Does he tend sheep and eat sailors, or is he plotting to overrun Asgard? FDR and Lyndon Johnson actually passed actual laws, and dealt with practical realities. Something Mises and Rothbard never did, and never could. (Hayek, at least, had some influence on actual policymakers, for better or for worse.) ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2015, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/27 "2015-11-07T16:34:17Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > More accurately, I’ve been appropriating the term to put it to more accurate usage-namely the Republican candidates who are undisputedly cuckold for the plutocratic caste especially considering the delightful and providential coincidence of the term’s homophonity with the Koch Brothers. In other words, exactly the way the white supremacists, nativists, and anti-Semites use it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2015, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/28 "2015-11-07T17:31:14Z")
Wait, Paul wants his supporters to learn more? Like, maybe wanting them to learn more about the contents of the newsletters he published, for instance? Heck, according to his own words, even he didn’t want to know what he was publishing. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2015, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/29 "2015-11-07T18:43:35Z")
I think Sanders (and his supporters) tend to think of conservatives as political enemies. I think Paul (and his supporters) tend to think of everyone who isn’t a Paul supporter as political enemies. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2015, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/30 "2015-11-07T23:50:35Z")
They’re about equally obnoxious, but the Libertarians draw a lot of racist loonies, while Bernie draws flaky, New Agey loonies. ---
**Author:** ![Nema98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d2c977/32.png) [@Nema98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nema98)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/31 "2015-11-08T00:59:06Z")
I don’t know, but Sanders for sure has a better chance of attracting more widespread support than Ron Paul could ever dream of. He is second in the field after Hillary Clinton, Ron Paul was never that front line in the Republican field in 2007-2008, even though the field was less crowded than it is now. I could see myself being a Bernie supporter and voting for him, but I only agreed with Ron on one issue, other than that he was annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/32 "2015-11-08T01:16:19Z")
Ron Paul was an utter failure in congress. Sanders planted many amendments, that helped further his agenda. Therefore, we may ask : “why does anybody still support Ron Paul?” I blame Mercury in the Tuna Fish. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/33 "2015-11-08T03:34:54Z")
> **[Bernie Sanders’ rape-fantasy essay reveals left-wing hypocrisy](https://nypost.com/2015/06/05/bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-reveals-left-wing-hypocrisy/)** > > Consider this twisted scenario: A national publication unearths an essay written decades ago by a conservative Republican candidate for the White House in which the man describes, in deviant detail… > [@](#): > > The piece, titled “Man — and woman,’’ was published in the Vermont Freeman, an alternative newspaper, in 1972, when Sanders was 30 years old. He wrote it after studying psychology at Brooklyn College in his native borough, after he embraced socialism as a student at the University of Chicago, and before he was elected mayor of Vermont’s largest city, Burlington, in 1981. > > “A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. A woman on her knees. A woman tied up. A woman abused,’’ it begins. > > “A woman enjoys intercourse with her man — as she fantasizes being raped by three men simultaneously.’’ The fact that we don’t hear any left wing wailing and gnashing of teeth over this tells me a lot about Sanders’s supporters. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/34 "2015-11-08T03:40:32Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > [Bernie Sanders’ rape-fantasy essay reveals left-wing hypocrisy](http://nypost.com/2015/06/05/bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-reveals-left-wing-hypocrisy/) > > The fact that we don’t hear any left wing wailing and gnashing of teeth over this tells me a lot about Sanders’s supporters. That most of them don’t care about something written before they were born and would rather base their opinions on actions he’s taken in their lifetime? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/35 "2015-11-08T03:42:00Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > That most of them don’t care about something written before they were born and would rather base their opinions on actions he’s taken in their lifetime? The exact same people who will jump on any thing their opposition has done at any time in their opposition’s lifetime. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/36 "2015-11-08T03:51:54Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The exact same people who will jump on any thing their opposition has done at any time in their opposition’s lifetime. It’s an interesting claim of hypocrisy do you have any examples? Republicans tend to get nailed because in addition to making sexist remarks in their past they are also proponents of sexist policies. Bernie doesn’t seem to have that issue, he has a pretty long history or supporting legislation that seeks to empower women. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/37 "2015-11-08T04:05:24Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > They’re about equally obnoxious, but the Libertarians draw a lot of racist loonies, while Bernie draws flaky, New Agey loonies. Well, flakey, New Agey loonies are **better,** aren’t they? They might be just as loony, but at least their hearts are in the right places. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/38 "2015-11-08T04:37:57Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > [Bernie Sanders’ rape-fantasy essay reveals left-wing hypocrisy](http://nypost.com/2015/06/05/bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-reveals-left-wing-hypocrisy/) > > The fact that we don’t hear any left wing wailing and gnashing of teeth over this tells me a lot about Sanders’s supporters. Meh. Some people have sexual power fantasies, some have rape fantasies, and others of us find it bemusing that they do. Denouncing someone for observing this is like denouncing someone for observing that dead bodies decompose rather than rising to heaven in veils of light. ---
**Author:** ![FightMyIgnorance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71e660/32.png) [@FightMyIgnorance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FightMyIgnorance)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/39 "2015-11-08T23:02:04Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > [Bernie Sanders’ rape-fantasy essay reveals left-wing hypocrisy](http://nypost.com/2015/06/05/bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-reveals-left-wing-hypocrisy/) > > The fact that we don’t hear any left wing wailing and gnashing of teeth over this tells me a lot about Sanders’s supporters. Sanders has acknowledged this multiple times and stressed that he regrets writing the piece. If he’d published this today, I would be backing away from my support of him. It was published _decades_ ago. I fail to see how this is relevant, especially considering Sanders has been a defender of civil rights and political freedoms for his entire career. When come back, bring relevancy. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828/40 "2015-11-09T01:11:38Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > [Bernie Sanders’ rape-fantasy essay reveals left-wing hypocrisy](http://nypost.com/2015/06/05/bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-reveals-left-wing-hypocrisy/) > > The fact that we don’t hear any left wing wailing and gnashing of teeth over this tells me a lot about Sanders’s supporters. The fact that this is all that the wingnuts could come up with after pulling all the stops to dig up all possible dirt on Sanders tells me a lot about Sanders. Next phase for the right: just start making stuff up. If Sanders advances further in the polls, I predict a book will soon be forthcoming along the lines of _Unfit for Command_, _Obama Nation_, and _Where’s the Birth Certificate?_. It will be written by Jerome Corsi, not a single thing in it will be true, and it will become a bestseller. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-got-the-most-obnoxious-group-of-supporters-ron-paul-2012-or-bernie-sanders-2016/736828.md?page=3)