Are you kidding. From your own cite, ,
Gee, if this is the Republican high road, I’d hate for them to travel the low road.
Note the use of code words: San Francisco = gay, Boston = liberal.
And of course when Clinton was in power the republicans blasted away on him with every thing they could get their hands on.
Now I don’t have a cite on this, and I have to get ready for work so time is short :rolleyes: , but it seems to me that when McCain started whompin Bush in the 2000 primaries a lot of conservative groups sprung it and made calls to people warning them about the dangers of McCain. Pat Robertson may even have been involved. That’s kinda mean.
I’m really surprised that nobody has mentioned Karl Rove yet.
Wasn’t there also a vietnam vet who lost a limb or three that lost an election because his republican adversary painted him as “unpatriotic?” Again, no cite but maybe somebody else can help me out on it 
That cite is laughable. I’m citing newspapers and legitimate sources quoting the leaders of the Democrat Party. You come up with a cite devoted to bashing Dan Burton (an obscure rep that I haven’t heard of) run by the “The Religious Freedom Coalition of the Southeast”.
Even though it’s a rediculous cite, it still doesn’t say Dan Burton accused Clinton of murder.
Oh, yes, there aren’t any left wing nut-jobs on the internet either.
We are specifically discusssing Senators and Representatives. GLWasteful said “Clinton was called a murderer and a rapist (by Republican Reps). With absolutely no proof whatsoever.” Post as much internet based nut job crap as you like, it carries no weight.
Right wingers can’t get away with posting cites from the free republic. What makes you think you can?
Yes, us 70 % of the country that was in favor of the war (including John Kerry) were all wrong. It was actually just a made up war for Bush’s political reasons, two and a half years before his re-election. :rolleyes:
It’s interesting the only you and Ted Kennedy seem to be astute enough to notice this conspiracy.
Exactly.
Bu hey, let’s go back to a couple of those threads that popped up immediately after Reagan kicked the bucket. I suspect the people in there celebrating his death and talking about pissing on his grave were not conservatives. And there were equivalent threads when Strom Thurmond bought the ranch. And others over the years with liberals speaking jubilantly about high-profile conservative contracting life-threatening and painful illnesses. Lots of celebration over Limbaugh’s hearing problems. How 'bout that Pit Thread when Bush II choked on that pretzel? Don’t see too much of that kinda stuff from the conservatives. And there are no threads talking about pissing on the left’s sainted prince, JFK.
You guys have a pretty blindered view of yourselves. Go back and read that stuff. It ain’t very flattering.
Yes: Max Cleland, from Georgia.
He was one of the Democrats who was fighting against the formation of the homeland security department because it didn’t have enough Union pork. The Republican running against him (I don’t recall the name) put a TV ad out that highlighted this. It featured Cleland’s picture, as well as Saddam and Bin Laden. He lost re-election in the 2002 mid-terms.
The fact that he was winning until the end of the election makes many fringe lefties question the Diabold voting machines used in Georgia (Tin foil hat territory, IMO) Also, he is a triple amputee from Vietnam who was attacked for being against homeland security. This has been translated into he being accused of being “unpatriotic”.
It has also been pointed out by some on the right that Cleland didn’t loose his limbs in combat. He was in a safe area, drinking with buddies and stepped on a grenade. Pointing this out, depending on the tone used, could be construed as mean.
However, his opponent attacking him on defense issues in a TV ad is not mean. That’s just an election in America. Business as usual.
I’m heading out for the weekend camping. I’m in Vegas on vaca all next week. No posting for me for a while.
harborwolf, that would be Sen. Max Cleland of Georgia:
Draw your own inferences. And consider what other implications could have been meant.
Well, damn. I was so looking forward to mentioning Dan Burton. And I was ready to say that finding instances of those accusing Clinton of rape would be harder to come across when ElvisL1ves brings them to the fore. So, it looks like my statement has now been backed up. Y’wanna tackle Mena and Whitewater next, Debaser?
Because of the scale, perhaps? Y’see, when you kill one person, it’s a very bad thing. Kinda like Laura Bush and her youthful indiscretion. But when you kill 800+ and counting, you’re kinda between one and one million. An uncomfortable position to be in, nu?
And on preview, I see that you’ve come back and are sticking your fingers in your ears inre Burton and his claims that Clinton killed Foster. Says much more about you than I imagine you intended, but oh well. Note, too, that I said Clinton was accused of rape and murder**.** I said nothing about Representatives or Senators. And since Burton was (last time I checked) a Senator when he was prattling on about Clinton murdering Foster, then it seems I (ultimately) fulfilled that challenge. Inre using Free Republic, surely you’re not going to argue with it, are you? A good Republican like you?
And frankly, I was ambivalent about Iraqle when it was starting. On the one hand, if Hussein truly has WMDs, then it’s a good idea to go in. On the other hand, letting Blix wrap it up wouldn’t hurt. Of course, it now appears that WMDs were figments of fervid imaginations, and that if Blix had finished up, he would’ve made statements that didn’t support war.
Oh, and this post I posted while posting a while ago got lost by the hampsters…
I’ll try and re-post my post now ;)…
Ah, yes, I know. I already quoted the same section of the article.
So, the Republicans are guilty of being mean and bashing the Democrats because they point out that Nancy Pelosi is from San Fransisco and John Kerry is from Boston? I do think that most of the country dislikes San Francisco and Boston politics, and that by reminding voters that this is where these two are from it helps to dis-credit them. However, I would call that good politics, not meanness. It’s certainly not on the same level as the vitrol that I’ve cited of Democrat leaders bashing Bush.
I would consider it taking the low road if the Repubican leadership started attacking the Democrats in similar ways to how they are being attacked. Pointing out that Democrats were putting more blame for the deaths of U.S. service members on Bush than on terrorists is an effective defense to being attacked. It’s not mean or harsh, especially in the light of what Pelosi said.
1998, Fayetteville, AR, self-serve carwash station, heavy-duty snazzy-looking pick-up truck with loads of fancy trimmings, huge shining yellow plastic dome on top of the cabin with large words, “Your President? Not Mine!” The whole thing looked like it would be illuminated after dark. No, no gun-rack on the outside.
I advance a valid assumption that all the Abu Ghraib abusers always voted straight Democratic ticket, can you prove me wrong?
That’s right, Ann Coulter was the one to “point that out”, in fact, she made it up. He was on a mission when that happened. A mission he volunteered for. That was way beyond mean. And here you are spreading that lie. That is kind of mean as well.
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I agree, they had to concentrate on Kosovo screw-ups way more.
So much crap here, it’s difficult even to know where to begin. First of all I’m not a republican. Second of all, yes, the Free Republic isn’t a valid cite, IMO. If you read my posts you would see that I’ve already challenged this. Third, even if Burton said that, he is an obscure rep that I haven’t heard of. I’m citing the leaders of the Democrat party not a single obscure ex-representative.
We certainly are talking about senators and reps. Since you seem to be having trouble keeping up I’ll repost:
To which you responded directly (by quoting me)…
If you weren’t meaning that Clinton was called a murderer and a rapist by Democrat reps, then your statement is meaningless.
I said in my first post that Republican politicians are not as mean spirited as Democrat politicians. If you want to start widening the scope to include any jackass with a microphone, then the conversation becomes meaningless. Heck, in this thread some have already called Bush a murderer 800 times over.
What do the numbers show? How many servicemen have died because of terrorism? And how many have died in Bush’s Iraqi vendetta? If the latter > the former, then Bush is indeed more to blame for more service casualties than terrorists. He could have easily avoided this war. He needs to be held accountable.
Yea, because Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot all represented decidedly well known Democratic and left-wing policies, which include humanitarianism, socialized medicine, and killing everyone who disagrees with you.
George Bush II is more left wing than Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.
Dictators exist independently of the political spectrum. Whatever means to achieve their ends is what they use. Calling them representatives of the left is just as stupid as calling Hitler a representative of the right - neither is true in any stretch of the imagination, and shame on you for bringing it up.
As far as who has been meaner in Clinton/Bush history… well, Bush deserves more of it. When Clinton was pres, all the Pubbies were crying about how he was going to make the US part of the UN and become a dictator. When I first started posting on these boards, I had a link to a Pubbie forum from '98 where they were crying that the sky was falling because Clinton launched a cruise missile at Afghanistan, and how horrible the repurcussions would be, about how he was threatening the very existence of the US, and how it was a first step to his dictatorship.
Clinton lied, and deserved some bashing for it. Bush lied more, and deserves a helluva lot more.
Words mean nothing. Both sides throw mean words around daily. What counts are the actions behind the words - dismantling AmeriCorps and anything else they can get their grubby hands on counts more as “mean” than saying that Bush lied.
Oh. So just because you’ve been napping, then Burton is obscure? I would imagine that there are more than a couple of people in Indiana who would take issue with that. And what is Kennedy leader of? Sure, he’s been around a long time, but how can you consider him a leader?
And Burton was a member of the House (not Senate, as I previously said) when he accused Clinton of murder, then going through Goldbergesque machinations to make it appear a mere suicide. So yes, it certainly does appear that Clinton was called a murderer by a Representative. As well as a devious bastard for convincing virtually everyone else drawing breath that Foster commited suicide. Or do you have more to add in this regard? Upset that Burton wasn’t a Senator? Want a Senator to have also accused Clinton of murder? What?
And if you choose to stand by that after living through 1992-2000, then you are being willfully ignorant. Because despite your asinine claim that, “I honestly don’t recall Republican reps trashing Clinton in a similar manner,” I doubt that you are that obtuse.
Oh, and:
Ouch! You certainly zinged me there. Oh, wait. No you didn’t. You’ve managed to twist what I said so that I appear a member of the frothing left, and you as a font of calm reasonableness.
::writing the above down right after “Call your constituents ignorant”::
Seriously, d’you have some sort of newsletter that gathers all of these together? Because my hand is starting to hurt.
I was referring to persecuting liberals in general, but here are a few quotes for ya:
“Well, I want to kill Michael Moore, is that right? All right? And I don’t believe in capital punishment.”
–Bill O’Reilly, June 2004
“When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors.”
–Ann Coulter, to the Conservative Political Action Conference, January 2002
“Deliver Us From Evil: Defeating Terrorism, Despotism and Liberalism”
–Sean Hannity
(Yes, because everyone knows that terrorists == liberals) :rolleyes:
“My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.”
–Ann Coulter, to the New York Observer, August 2002
And in a related vein, I’ve just found out that there’s a new book out , “Take Them at Their Words: Shocking, Amusing and Baffling Quotations From the GOP and Their Friends 1994-2004” by Bruce Miller and Diana Maio. It’s got over a thousand outrageous quotes from Republican politicians and right-wing pundits, and here are a few that are relevant to this topic:
“I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good.”
– Randall Terry, the New Republic, 8/1/1994
“Ideally, it would have been nice to have a few phalanxes of policemen with machine guns and mow them down.”
– Talk-radio host Bob Grant of New York’s WABC, commenting on the Gay Pride Parade, Boston Globe, 4/29/95
“[Gun-control activist Sarah Brady, wife of former White House press secretary Jim Brady] ought to be put down. A humane shot at a veterinarian’s would be an easy way to do it. I wish she would just keep wheeling her husband around, wiping the saliva off his mouth once in a while – and leave the rest of us damn well alone.”
– Talk-radio host Bob Mohan, New York Times, 1/1/95
“If guns are outlawed, how can we shoot the liberals?”
– Mississippi state Sen. Mike Gunn ®, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 12/31/96
“We’re going to keep on building the party [the Texas GOP] until we’re hunting Democrats with dogs.”
– Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Texas, Mother Jones, August 1995
“[Environmentalists] are a socialist group of individuals that are the tool of the Democrat Party … I’m proud to say that they are my enemy. They are not Americans, never have been Americans, never will be Americans.”
– Rep. Don Young, R-Alaska, 8/19/96
And for some cheap laughs:
“And I said on my program, if the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it’s clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the
Bush administration again.”
– Bill O’Reilly, “Good Morning America,” ABC, 3/18/03
“When I see someone who is making anywhere from $300,000 to $750,000 a year, that’s middle class.”
– Rep. Fred Heineman, R-N.C., Washington Post, 10/29/96
Mean or not, debaser, these charges are perfectly true. It might not be true that Bush started the war solely to boost his or his party’s 2004 election prospects (though I’m sure that played a part in the decision), but it is true that there was no imminent threat from Iraq to the United States, that there was no link between Hussein and al-Qaeda, that Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction, that Hussein was effectively contained, that we could have left bad enough alone, that the Admin knew all of this perfectly well, and that the reasons the Admin gave to justify the war were completely fraudulent. Is it “mean” for Kennedy just to point out those obvious facts?
debaser, did you even read those quotes before you posted them? The tone of the Republican responses is twice as mean, and twice as personal, as Pelosi’s outraged and perfectly justified accusations of incompetence in the Administration.