# Who's more delusional - the Obama birthers or the moon landing deniers? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119 "2009-07-24T13:46:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/121 "2009-07-27T23:14:32Z")
And finally voted on, 378-0. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/122 "2009-07-27T23:18:42Z")
Did Alaska get a similar resolution, a few months back? Just curious. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/123 "2009-07-27T23:23:13Z")
[Alaska 50th anniversary resolution](http://www.c-spanarchives.org/congress/?q=node/77535&id=50704) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/124 "2009-07-27T23:27:17Z")
So no one in the House had the balls to object to the recognition of Barack Obama having been born in Hawaii? ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/125 "2009-07-27T23:55:20Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Yeah, I was thinking about this. Why would the dingbat assume some random politician is going to be carrying around Obama’s actual birth certificate? The cheers were the worst part of that clip, though. > > And of course the GOP politicians don’t dare correct the dingbats, because they’re their base. ☹ Actually, the GOP politician in question, Delaware’s Representative to the House, did correct the dingbat, IIRC. He said that President Obama was an American citizen, and moved on to other stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/126 "2009-07-27T23:59:27Z")
??? One of the commenters in the Ann Coulter link says that Obama’s “very first executive order was to seal all his personal records.” Is there ANY truth to this, or is this just something someone made up that got spread around? ETA: The reaction seems much the same as when other prominent conservative commentators (of which there are many) criticize the Kenya theory: disappointment in the messenger and persistence in their belief. **Gangster Octopus** : They do have ONE bit of “evidence” of the Kenya thing: Obama’s aunt “saying” he was. They, of course, claim that her correction afterwards was a desperate attempt to hide the truth she let accidentally slip out, but there you go. How an unwed mother, nine months pregnant, managed to afford a trip from Hawaii to Kenya in 1961 (which I’m sure any responsible grandparent would never pay for) is beyond me. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/127 "2009-07-28T00:26:41Z")
It’s amazing how much trouble the Obama family would have had to gone through to ensure that baby Barry wasn’t born on US soil. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/128 "2009-07-28T00:27:45Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > So no one in the House had the balls to object to the recognition of Barack Obama having been born in Hawaii? Except Michelle Bachmann, who held up the bill for mysterious (cough) reasons. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/129 "2009-07-28T00:34:43Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Hawaii has, in fact, released photographs of the original, “long form” birth certificate. Has it? I thought it was discarded when their system went digital a few years ago. Got a link? ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/130 "2009-07-28T00:58:18Z")
I see conflicting things about the material existence of a long birth certificate. I also see some birthers claiming their cousin is drinking buddies with a guy on the FBI who says they’re forging a long form right now, so if/when they ever see it, they’ll just say “I want to see the real one. That’s a forgery.” I wish the whole lot of them would move to Texas and secede from the Union. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/131 "2009-07-28T01:18:09Z")
It might be on microfiche. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/132 "2009-07-28T01:19:26Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > **Gangster Octopus** : They do have ONE bit of “evidence” of the Kenya thing: Obama’s aunt “saying” he was. They, of course, claim that her correction afterwards was a desperate attempt to hide the truth she let accidentally slip out, but there you go. > > How an unwed mother, nine months pregnant, managed to afford a trip from Hawaii to Kenya in 1961 (which I’m sure any responsible grandparent would never pay for) is beyond me. Two nitpicks: (1) It’s Obama’s step-grandmother who’s supposed to have “confirmed” the Kenyan birth, although, as you rightly point out, once the translator got her to understand what was being asked she emphatically denied the whole Kenyan birth thing. (2) Stanley Ann Dunham [was married](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham#First_marriage) to Barack Hussein Obama Sr. when little Junior was born. > [@](#): > > she enrolled at the University of Hawaii at Mānoa. There she met Barack Obama, Sr., a student from Nyang’oma Kogelo in Kenya and the school’s first African student, during a Russian language class.[13] She married him on February 2, 1961 in Maui, Hawaii despite some parental opposition to the marriage from both sides.[3][14] In November 2008, Obama Sr.'s first wife, Kezia, said she had granted her consent for him to marry a second wife, in keeping with Luo customs.[15] Obama Sr. eventually told Ann about his first marriage in Kenya, but said he was divorced, which she would find out years later was not true.[16] Dunham was three months pregnant at the time of her marriage.[1][3] > > On August 4, 1961, at age 18, she gave birth to her first child, Barack Obama II. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/133 "2009-07-28T01:22:44Z")
Ah, my bad. Thanks for the corrections. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/134 "2009-07-28T01:25:14Z")
Russian language class?! You mean Obama’s a _commie?!_ ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/135 "2009-07-28T01:50:41Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Obviously, no amount of evidence will ever convince you people. Hawaii has, in fact, released photographs of the original, “long form” birth certificate. If you’re going to just claim that it’s fake without a shred of evidence, then why ask to see it in the first place? I think Obama was born in Hawaii (as already mentioned earlier), so please don’t lump me in with those people. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/136 "2009-07-28T02:00:12Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Has it? I thought it was discarded when their system went digital a few years ago. Got a link? It’s in that Chris Matthews clip linked somewhere on this thread. The one with G. Gordon Liddy. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/137 "2009-07-28T02:20:17Z")
Here’s one account: [http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cnn/jon\_klein\_on\_birthers\_it\_seems\_this\_story\_is\_dead\_122546.asp](http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cnn/jon_klein_on_birthers_it_seems_this_story_is_dead_122546.asp) I later read that it wasn’t true that the paper record was discarded. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/138 "2009-07-30T15:22:14Z")
Funny Daily Show clip from last night that referenced both the birthers and the Moon Landing deniers: > **[So You Think You Can Douche: Hannity, Dobbs, And Beck Compete For Dubious...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/so-you-think-you-can-douc_n_247593)** > > So You Think You Can Douche: Hannity, Dobbs, And Beck Compete For Dubious 'Daily Show' Honor (VIDEO) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/139 "2009-07-30T18:20:30Z")
[Orly Taitz](http://www.ocweekly.com/2009-06-18/news/orly-taitz) is the scary-insane one. Where she comes up with some of this shit… > [@](#): > > Even if Obama’s long-form, original birth certificate were to be made public, though, the questions from Taitz and others wouldn’t stop. Because there’s a second argument: that there’s no way that Obama could fit the definition of a “natural-born citizen.” By turning to Swiss philosophy texts read by the Founding Fathers, citing the infamous Scott v. Sanford Supreme Court decision as precedent (which denied citizenship to former slave Dred Scott and was later overturned) and disqualifying the presidency of Chester A. Arthur, Taitz is able to claim that a baby can only be a natural-born citizen if both parents were American citizens at the time of the baby’s birth. Obama’s Kenyan father was a British subject. Wha? Since when? It reminds me of the time Cecil addressed those tax-protestor arguments that said that the 16th Amendment was invalid, because apparently, Ohio wasn’t a state when Taft was born, thus Taft wasn’t a natural born citizen, and was eligible to be president. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119/140 "2009-07-30T18:29:38Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > [Orly Taitz](http://www.ocweekly.com/2009-06-18/news/orly-taitz) is the scary-insane one. Where she comes up with some of this shit… > > Wha? Since when? It reminds me of the time Cecil addressed those tax-protestor arguments that said that the 16th Amendment was invalid, because apparently, Ohio wasn’t a state when Taft was born, thus Taft wasn’t a natural born citizen, and was eligible to be president. So would that mean anyone with a forebearer who came to the U.S. after the American Revolution would not be considered a citizen? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-more-delusional-the-obama-birthers-or-the-moon-landing-deniers/504119.md?page=8)