# Who's stupidest -- 9/11 truthers or Obama appointees? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894 "2009-09-04T18:54:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/41 "2009-09-06T11:02:05Z")
> [@Alienhand](#): > > Are you a domestic terrorist? Or are you directed by foreign terrorists? Domestic all the way, baby! If Obama knowingly appoints a fruitcake Truther, he’s a nutjob. If Obama unknowingly names Van Jones, he’s utterly incompetent. Which scenario fills you with confidence that Barack “It’s like the Special Olympics or something” Obama is the guy who should be put in charge of totally overhauling the nation’s health care system? In other words, if he’s wrong about Van Jones, might not Obama also be wrong about health care? ---
**Author:** ![Alienhand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8edcca/32.png) [@Alienhand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alienhand)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/42 "2009-09-06T11:14:34Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Domestic all the way, baby! > > If Obama knowingly appoints a fruitcake Truther, he’s a nutjob. If Obama unknowingly names Van Jones, he’s utterly incompetent. > > Which scenario fills you with confidence that Barack “It’s like the Special Olympics or something” Obama is the guy who should be put in charge of totally overhauling the nation’s health care system? > > In other words, if he’s wrong about Van Jones, might not Obama also be wrong about health care? Neither, I’m proposing your mental inadequacy as the source of your false dilemma. Tell your friends to avoid buildings with daycare centers this time. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/43 "2009-09-06T13:29:16Z")
Obama appointed a communist? I am shocked. Shocked, I say. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/44 "2009-09-06T13:37:42Z")
Got two bits says that before this little tempest in a piss-pot, you didn’t even know there was such a thing as a “green jobs czar”. Keep it up! Keep screaming “Wolf!” everytime your kitty hocks up a hair ball, and you look hysterical and silly. On top of actually being hysterical and silly. One or the other, you can get away with, for a while. But not both. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/45 "2009-09-06T13:40:40Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > …you didn’t even know there was such a thing as a “green jobs czar”. Nor should there be. Sounds like a bullshit position. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/46 "2009-09-06T13:45:40Z")
I like Huffington Post’s headline for this: Glenn Beck Gets First Scalp ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/47 "2009-09-06T15:48:16Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I’ve seen this kind of comment in quite a few places. What I don’t understand here is what those who say this wish had been done instead, or expected Obama or whoever to do. The issue was already outlined > [@Stephe96](#): > > If Obama knowingly appoints a fruitcake Truther, he’s a nutjob. If Obama unknowingly names Van Jones, he’s utterly incompetent. The reaction was predetermined by the selection in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/48 "2009-09-06T16:45:59Z")
> [@C3](#): > > I like Huffington Post’s headline for this: Glenn Beck Gets First Scalp Can a clue be far behind? ---
**Author:** ![wierdaaron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eada6e/32.png) [@wierdaaron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wierdaaron)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/49 "2009-09-06T19:41:57Z")
Nobody had heard of this guy until Beck started calling him Obama’s Green Jobs Czar. Then, when he’s outed as an idiot, it can all be dumped on Obama because, y’know, BOOGIEBOOGIEBOOGIE. And if Obama can be wrong about this, maybe he’s wrong about gravity, too. Time for the velcro shoes, everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Alienhand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8edcca/32.png) [@Alienhand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alienhand)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/50 "2009-09-06T22:08:34Z")
> [@C3](#): > > I like Huffington Post’s headline for this: Glenn Beck Gets First Scalp Next up: Cass Sunstein will steal your kidneys when you go to the hospital. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/51 "2009-09-06T23:25:05Z")
Obama has never been held accountable for his relationship with other radicals, why should he have thought adding Van Jones to his administration would be any different. While the main stream media still may not have caught on, the public has seen that the emperor wears no clothes… ---
**Author:** ![wierdaaron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eada6e/32.png) [@wierdaaron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wierdaaron)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/52 "2009-09-06T23:31:49Z")
And a pound of flesh is worth two baskets in the bush before they hatch. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/53 "2009-09-07T02:18:09Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > While the main stream media still may not have caught on, the public has seen that the emperor wears no clothes… We noticed that about 2003. What took you so long? Oh, you are talking about Obama? How cute! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/54 "2009-09-07T03:25:48Z")
> [@wierdaaron](#): > > And a pound of flesh is worth two baskets in the bush before they hatch. In the mouth. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/55 "2009-09-07T03:54:20Z")
> [@wierdaaron](#): > > And a pound of flesh is worth two baskets in the bush before they hatch. But only a true salesman can sell sand to Inuits in white gloves. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/56 "2009-09-07T04:16:13Z")
Oh, not the True Salesman crap again! I hate that one worse than Onan’s Razor! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/57 "2009-09-07T04:29:44Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Oh, not the True Salesman crap again! I hate that one worse than Onan’s Razor! Hey it’s better then Ad Homophone. ---
**Author:** ![wierdaaron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eada6e/32.png) [@wierdaaron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wierdaaron)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/58 "2009-09-07T05:14:17Z")
This has turned into a real Squid Pro Quota. ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/59 "2009-09-07T18:44:48Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Got two bits says that before this little tempest in a piss-pot, you didn’t even know there was such a thing as a “green jobs czar”. [Maybe you should have](http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=916325D5-18FE-70B2-A84730F1B94EE50E): > [@](#): > > There was little immediate talk of possible successors to Jones, largely due to the sense he would be difficult to replace in an advisory post **designed specifically for him** And it was [no trivial post either](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/10/AR2009081002107_pf.html): > [@](#): > > ``` > S. ROMANO: The stimulus bill—earmarked $60 billion. Am I correct in that? > > ``` > > MR. JONES: It’s close to $80 billion for–for– > > MS. ROMANO: It’s $80 billion. > > You and the Administration have estimated what, 2 to 5 million jobs could be created? > > MR. JONES: Well, you know, there are–we have a potential in the total $787 billion– > > ``` > –that is a part of the energy package, according to the Council for Economic Advisors, to create about 6.8 million job years total, and then, as–as we go forward, the subset of that, which is about that $80 billion, will produce green jobs. So, the total–the total number of jobs for the entire recovery package is 6.8 million job years. > > ``` The spin now is that the White House did not “vet” him because of his low level role. Unfortunately, this makes no sense based on the evidence. Van Jones was in charge of $80 billion and his role was specially created for him. All of this obfuscates the serious questions now raised: Who created this special job for Van Jones and what vetting of any sort did he get? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894/60 "2009-09-07T21:07:46Z")
Well, there’s vetting and there’s vetting, isn’t there? You might think of it as sympathetic vetting and prosecutorial vetting. If you are checking somebody out for qualifications and credentials, you are apt to take a somewhat different tack, and have different responses, than somebody who is set on arriving at a predetermined point. So he was a Communist? Big honking deal, nobody’s perfect, hell, I’m a prolapsed Objectivist myself, went door to door for Barry Goldwater. I got better. (For my two bits, both Objectivism and Communism are about equally brain-dead, but that’s neither here nor there…) Now, I don’t see any reason to be ashamed of that. I once thought that Jim Morrison was a poet, I’m ashamed of _that_! “Legs furiously pumping…in mute nostril agony…” Jesus Marmiba, what a crock! Besides which, if people can’t be trusted when they change their minds, you guys are boned! You’re already in the minority, if you can’t change people’s minds and trust them once you do, its _adios, muchacho_. If a guy used to be a Communist, but says he isn’t, shouldn’t we take his word for it, at least until he does something obviously Commie, _in flagrante dialectic_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-9-11-truthers-or-obama-appointees/508894.md?page=4)