# Who's stupidest -- Bush haters or Obama worshipers? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 17, 2009, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716 "2009-08-17T13:25:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/61 "2009-08-17T16:55:38Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Lacks definition. Is whoring after attention the same as trolling? Not if you get paid! ka-_ching_! ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/62 "2009-08-17T16:56:47Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I thought you were doing a winking imitation of someone who is totally unaware of the failings of the Bush years, and yet found it annoying that some people are blind to _Obama_’s faults. Guess I gave you too much credit. No, you just misread me. And I don’t really think you’re the stupider, I take that back. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/63 "2009-08-17T16:58:58Z")
I’m glad that this thread gives JJM a chuckle. I like to think that when he lays down to sleep on the floor of his mom’s trailer, that he has something that he can grip on to and smile about. And that even with the half empty beer cans and roaches crawling all around him he can, for a moment, forget the utter despair and hopelessness of his life. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/64 "2009-08-17T17:01:19Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > It is if you include transparent strawmanning, as the OP does. You fail too. There really are complete idiots who: [ol] [li]Blindly follow Obama[/li][li]Blindly think He’s inelligible for the Presidency due to the location of his birth[/li][li]Blindly hate Bush[/li][li]Blindly believe in “death panels”[/li][/ol] So unless you count 1 and 3 as strawmen, neither are 2 and 4. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/65 "2009-08-17T17:02:07Z")
Obama Worshippers - WTF!!! The mouthbreathers who claim all liberals view Obama as their Messiah are the same people who literally saw Bush as some heavensent entity with a mission from above. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/66 "2009-08-17T17:03:30Z")
As for Obama’s faults - well he does have many, chief of which is that he enjoys Bud Light. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/67 "2009-08-17T17:04:11Z")
We can prove that 2 and 4 exist. You can’t prove that 1 and 3 exist. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/68 "2009-08-17T17:05:06Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I’m glad that this thread gives JJM a chuckle. I like to think that when he lays down to sleep on the floor of his mom’s trailer, that he has something that he can grip on to and smile about. And that even with the half empty beer cans and roaches crawling all around him he can, for a moment, forget the utter despair and hopelessness of his life. Shoot naw! 'bama’s gonna fix me up wi doctorin fer _free_! Then heez gonna pay mah rent an put gas in mah truck an aks me up hiz place fer a beer! Yeeeee haw!! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/69 "2009-08-17T17:05:47Z")
Just to give a theoretical answer to the question. Anyone who hypothetcally worshipped Obama would be dumber than anyone who hated Bush. Hating Bush was entirely rational. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/70 "2009-08-17T17:07:51Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](#): > > Shoot naw! 'bama’s gonna fix me up wi doctorin fer _free_! Then heez gonna pay mah rent an put gas in mah truck an aks me up hiz place fer a beer! Yeeeee haw!! This is what you idiots really think, isn’t it? I think at some town hall meeting somewhere, there’s a deather sign missing it’s moron. You better get going. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/71 "2009-08-17T17:10:33Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > Obama Worshippers - WTF!!! > The mouthbreathers who claim _ **all** _ liberals view Obama as their Messiah are the same people who literally saw Bush as some heavensent entity with a mission from above. Bolding and italicizing mine. I take no responsibility for the underlining. I agree. The mouthbreathers who claim _ **all** _ liberals view Obama as their Messiah are the same people who literally saw Bush as some heavensent entity with a mission from above. I believe that only those liberals who view Obama as their Messiah view Obama as their Messiah. They are therefore a subset of liberals, not all liberals. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/72 "2009-08-17T17:12:58Z")
Name 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/73 "2009-08-17T17:15:16Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Anyone who hypothetcally worshipped Obama would be dumber than anyone who hated Bush. Well shut my mouth! We agree! Except you got one thing wrong. Anyone who hypothetically worshipped Obama would be stupidest than anyone who hated Bush. Stupidest. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/74 "2009-08-17T17:15:19Z")
You know, I believe it is possible that a moron _does_ exist who blindly hates Bush. But that only proves that it’s possible for a moron to get something right, even if only by accident. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/75 "2009-08-17T17:16:17Z")
Cite for any liberals who think Obama is their Messiah? I can show you cites for righties who think he’s the antichrist. I can also show you cites for conservatives who think that Sarah Palin is some sort of divine appointee. I can show you a cite for Sarah Palin claiming to BE God. You can’t show jack shit for liberals thinking Obama is the Messiah. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/76 "2009-08-17T17:21:49Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > We can prove that 2 and 4 exist. You can’t prove that 1 and 3 exist. Right… the old “cite” and “proof” dodges to acknowledging facts. I could state that the sky is blue and you’d insist I prove it rather than just looking up. Go pound sand. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/77 "2009-08-17T17:25:41Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Name 'em. Sleepy, Happy, Sneezy, Grumpy, Dopey, Doc, and **Diogenes the Cynic**? Did I get that right? Hell, I don’t even know what question you’re asking. But given the level of discourse going on here, there’s probably a very small chance that I did in fact get it right. So there!! Three rolleye spiders for you!! _(_:rolleyes:_)__(_:rolleyes:_)__(_:rolleyes:_)_ ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/78 "2009-08-17T17:32:25Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](#): > > You do realize that you’ve just made this way, way too easy. Don’t you? > (“Treasure”? Seriously? Are you confusing the real world and World of Warcraft again?) > Those are examples of those unreasonable blame and hatred thingies. > > Damn… you’re even stupidest than **Jack Batty**. This is what you’ve got? Aside from my visceral reaction {which I would never act on or realistically recommend} to their crimes there is nothing unreasonable about despising warmongers. It’s not that other world leader’s or American presidents haven’t done it before. I know they have. I keep hoping we as a country and a civilization might grow to a point where we defend ourselves but value human life too much to start wars unnecessarily. For them to blatantly lie and continue to lie, year after year while innocent people are dieing is morally despicable. So please, if you can, elaborate. Why is it unreasonable to hate an unnecessary war and the horror it brings to human life? Why is it unreasonable to despise the main architects of that war for the pain and tragedy they visited on the human race while they sat safely in their asses in DC and helped enrich their friends and financial supporters. Glancing at the thread it seems you have nothing but sarcastic empty comments. Try writing anything with some substance if you can. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/79 "2009-08-17T17:35:44Z")
> [@Jimmy Joe Meager](#): > > Sleepy, Happy, Sneezy, Grumpy, Dopey, Doc, and Diogenes the Cynic? Did I get that right? Hell, I don’t even know what question you’re asking. I’m asking you to name the liberals who view President Obama as their Messiah. You’re so sure they exist, prove it. I’m pretty sure **Dio** ain’t one of them. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/80 "2009-08-17T17:38:48Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](#): > > Bolding and italicizing mine. I take no responsibility for the underlining. > > I agree. The mouthbreathers who claim _ **all** _ liberals view Obama as their Messiah are the same people who literally saw Bush as some heavensent entity with a mission from above. > > I believe that only those liberals who view Obama as their Messiah view Obama as their Messiah. They are therefore a subset of liberals, not all liberals. Understanding the variety of people in this country I don’t doubt that some may view Obama with idol worship. I would say they are a lot smaller group than Bush haters because there are solid reasonable reasons for a thinking person who values human life to despise Bush and cronies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716.md?page=5)