# Who's stupidest -- Bush haters or Obama worshipers? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 17, 2009, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716 "2009-08-17T13:25:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/81 "2009-08-17T17:39:16Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](#): > > Right… the old “cite” and “proof” dodges to acknowledging facts. Actually, now I want _that_ as my sig. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/82 "2009-08-17T17:42:27Z")
I’m always bemused to learn of posters who have been here for a long-ass time that I was previously unaware of who turn out to be huge retards. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/83 "2009-08-17T17:43:20Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > So please, if you can, elaborate. Why is it unreasonable to hate an unnecessary war and the horror it brings to human life? Why is it unreasonable to despise the main architects of that war for the pain and tragedy they visited on the human race while they sat safely in their asses in DC and helped enrich their friends and financial supporters. Because I’m sincerely concerned that you might blow a gasket, I’m going to give you an honest, truthful, non-snarky answer. If you want to debate that topic, go to Great Debates. This thread is for Pitting Obama worshipers and Bush haters. If you don’t want to participate, then please don’t. But I assure you I, at least, will not be addressing (here) the questions you pose. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/84 "2009-08-17T17:43:49Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I can’t really support dragging people behind motor vehicles for any reason, even if it **is** Dick Cheney (unless we’re talking about him and Karl Rove sitting on the lead float in the “People Who Have Most Screwed Up America Parade”). Apart from that, I thought **cosmosdan** set out his reasons for blaming and hating the Bush administration quite succinctly. In actuality , neither would I. It was just something I would say while all that shit was coming down from DC and they would continue their lies. Venting I guess, and a way to express just how criminal I thought they were. If we as a people had taken to the streets to remove them for office I would have been okay with that. IMO they betrayed their oaths of office. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/85 "2009-08-17T17:45:37Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](#): > > Thanks for looking that up **Marley23** , but what I was doing wasn’t satire. It was a thinly veiled insult. I thought you knew the difference. Stupider. So you admit you were not satirizing but trolling? That’s against the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/86 "2009-08-17T17:46:39Z")
it’s not my fault that Obama walks on water, heals the sick, while Bush sacrificed babies at alters and allowed spinning during White House Foosball tournaments. That doesn’t make ME stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/87 "2009-08-17T17:46:42Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > I’m always bemused to learn of posters who have been here for a long-ass time that I was previously unaware of who turn out to be huge retards. Me too! But I’m surprised you hadn’t noticed **Diogenes the Cynic** before. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/88 "2009-08-17T17:47:52Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > it’s not my fault that Obama walks on water, heals the sick, while Bush sacrificed babies at alters and allowed spinning during White House Foosball tournaments. That doesn’t make ME stupid. Touché. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/89 "2009-08-17T17:49:12Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Actually, now I want _that_ as my sig. Granted. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/90 "2009-08-17T17:51:00Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](#): > > This thread is for Pitting Obama worshipers and Bush haters. Obama worshipers don’t exist. And Bush has earned all of the hatred anyone has ever directed at him. He’s probably earned more, if it comes to that. But the point is, why would anyone want to Pit people who are giving him that hatred he’s earned? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/91 "2009-08-17T17:56:01Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > So you admit you were not satirizing but trolling? That’s against the rules. No, still not trolling. Still not against the rules. Tell you what, why don’t you take every insult, thinly veiled or blatant, in this thread and in all other Pit threads active during the past week, line them up in a PowerPoint presentation, and identify which insults constitute trolling and which do not. Or more specifically, which posts constitute “posting of inflammatory comments solely to get a rise out of people.” If every single “inflammatory comment(s) solely to get a rise out of people” were to be deleted from the Pit it would practically cease to exist. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/92 "2009-08-17T17:56:53Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](#): > > Because I’m sincerely concerned that you might blow a gasket, I’m going to give you an honest, truthful, non-snarky answer. > > If you want to debate that topic, go to Great Debates. This thread is for Pitting Obama worshipers and Bush haters. If you don’t want to participate, then please don’t. But I assure you I, at least, will not be addressing (here) the questions you pose. I’ve specifically addressed your OP and made a serious point about Bush haters. Unless you think hatred itself is unreasonable , which is a philosophical point that is likely beyond you, I’ve pointed out that Bush hating is not necessarily an unreasonable or stupid position. Maybe that helps because it would seem that if hating Bush is not stupid then the nameless Obama worshipers must be more stupid. Maybe that means you win. Can we have a discussion about whether those who were glad to have Bush, a good Christian, in the white house, were more stupid than those who worship Obama are? I have some ideas on that. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/93 "2009-08-17T17:59:44Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Obama worshipers don’t exist. Oh but you are funny!! I wish we had a “laugh” smily, because you deserve a whole flock of spidey laughies!! But, sadly, you’ll have to do with these… _(_:rolleyes:_)__(_:rolleyes:_)__(_:rolleyes:_)_ ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/94 "2009-08-17T18:02:02Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](#): > > Right… the old “cite” and “proof” dodges to acknowledging facts. I could state that the sky is blue and you’d insist I prove it rather than just looking up. Go pound sand. You’re the one alleging facts and refusing to prove them. You know that you can’t. I see that you’re now alleging that I personally think Obama is the Messiah. This is one instance where I really can say that my post is my cite. I do NOT think Barack Obama is the Messiah, nor do I worship him or anything else. I also think it’s pathetic that you don’t have the balls to answer the birther question. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/95 "2009-08-17T18:04:26Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > Can we have a discussion about whether those who were glad to have Bush, a good Christian, in the white house, were more stupid than those who worship Obama are? I have some ideas on that. With all due respect, not here. If you want to start a Great Debate or your own Pit thread then please do, but I’m not going to engage you, on those topics, here. And just so you don’t accuse me of a bait & switch, just want to let you know that I probably won’t engage you on those topics elsewhere either. Nothing personal, I’m just not interested in having a message board debate about them. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/96 "2009-08-17T18:05:40Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > …Bush sacrificed babies at alters and allowed spinning during White House Foosball tournaments. Spinning? _Spinning_? And they called US un-American! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/97 "2009-08-17T18:13:34Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by **kaylasdad99** > > Obama worshipers don’t exist. > > Oh but you are funny!! I wish we had a “laugh” smily, because you deserve a whole flock of spidey laughies!! But, sadly, you’ll have to do with these… > > _(_:rolleyes:_)__(_:rolleyes:_)__(_:rolleyes:_)_ Well, if it’s such a laughable assertion surely you can prove that it’s not true. Point me at a dozen Obama-worshipers, and I’ll concede both points (that they exist, and that they exist in numbers large enough to make my assertion laughable). _(:dubious:) (:dubious:) (:dubious:)_ My spiders are dubious about the proposition that you can manage it. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/98 "2009-08-17T18:18:31Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You’re the one alleging facts and refusing to prove them. You know that you can’t. I see that you’re now alleging that I personally think Obama is the Messiah. This is one instance where I really can say that my post is my cite. I do NOT think Barack Obama is the Messiah, nor do I worship him or anything else. > > I also think it’s pathetic that you don’t have the balls to answer the birther question. Ahhhhh… yet another thread devolves into a pissing match between **Diogenes the Cynic** and whoever isn’t **Diogenes the Cynic**. Your predictability is your weakness. We could go back and forth all day, “cite”-ing and “proof”-ing and referencing previous posts and you’d still be all the stupidest. I know that in an attempt to get me to engage you’ll call me names, level insults ( **Polycarp**? you watching?), and other inflammatory comments solely to get a rise out of me ( **Polycarp**? hello?), then thump your chest and think you’ve “won”. And nothing I can do or say ( **Poly…** , ah, nevermind…) will change that, so I’m not going to let it bother me. So have at it **Dio**. But remember, if you’re not in a pissing \*match \*then you’re just pissing into the wind. And may I suggest a strong and steady stream, aimed high. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/99 "2009-08-17T18:24:27Z")
Coward. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716/100 "2009-08-17T18:28:51Z")
> [@Larry\_Mudd](#): > > You can come close if it starts as a box of grape juice from concentrate, which you let ferment in a toilet tank with whatever random eukaryotic micro-organisms you’re able to dig out of your navel with the handle of a plastic fork. … I think I will just take your word on that one. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-stupidest-bush-haters-or-obama-worshipers/506716.md?page=6)