# Who's to blame if Biden loses? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 7, 2024, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233 "2024-05-07T18:41:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/388 "2024-05-12T02:27:09Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > Yes, but that’s what I mean: if climate change is important to you (and it should be), what are your best options? > > 1. Trump (will swiftly make everything worse) > 2. Biden (will gradually slow the getting worse of everything) > 3. Stein (promises priotizing the issue; will not actually get into office, and if she did, would not be able to accomplish promises due to political reality) Just stick with this. Your whole postamble is unnecessary and more an indication of dysfunction on the D/liberal side than it is illuminating. I am fine with people being single issue climate change voters. It certainly makes sense to me. If you are a single issue climate change voters, it certainly makes sense that you are voting against Team R every single time. This is not something that needs to be questioned. So the whole postamble “but but but”, if climate change isn’t enough to get you to vote straight ticket in the general, if Trump’s overall nature isn’t enough, you are wedded to that concept to the grave, and frankly our children’s and grandchildren’s graves as well. So yeah, get over it. In a burning house it’s becoming repugnant to me. I’m fine with voting on fear. Fear is an actual emotion and we should pay attention to it. I’m not trying to pick on you here, but the overparsing and constant questioning on the D side, it’s gotta go. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/389 "2024-05-12T02:30:01Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1001913/43): > > The only thing that is bizarre and inaccurate is pretending that Biden supporters are voting _for_ Biden rather than _against_ Trump. You implicitly agree with this as apparent by what you just posted. I’m enthusiastically voting for Biden. I think he’s been a terrific president. My posting has been consistent on this in this and other threads. I’ll concede that even if he were a “normally awful” candidate, he’d still get my vote given the existential threat that is Trump. But he’s not. And your implication that Biden supporters are a monolithic block of ambivalent voters planning to hold their noses when they pull the lever is silly. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/391 "2024-05-12T19:12:23Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1001913/46): > > I can see how it looks to others when Biden supporters argue from a position of coercion. I get that you see this claim—that there are, somehow, numerous Biden supporters who ‘argue from a position of coercion’—as being an effective argument. I just don’t see that you’ve actually _made_ it an effective argument. First, you need to establish that such a phenomenon actually exists. You’ve done nothing toward this. You simply make the claim. Once in a while you’ll throw in ‘no one has objected’ as if you’ve thereby proven that Everyone Agrees that some large number of Biden supporters ‘argue from a position of coercion.’ News flash: you haven’t proven any such thing. You’ve just achieved the statement of _two unsupported claims_: One, that some large number of Biden supporters ‘argue from a position of coercion,’ and two, that Everyone Agrees with your claim because you haven’t seen a refutation that you accept. You haven’t seen a refutation because your claim isn’t one that’s being taken seriously. **If you want your claim to be taken seriously, you must provide evidence for it.** After you’ve achieved that, you can tackle the question: _why would it_ **matter** _if any Biden supporters are arguing from a position of coercion?_ (And no, your claim that supporters ‘arguing from a position of coercion’ are “failing to really sell him” isn’t working, due to the same issue with the claim that such people even exist: that is, you’ve failed to provide any evidence for that claim.) As it happens, bordelond, Jay\_Z, and Stratocaster have each given good answers to that question: > [@bordelond](#): > > I might earnestly want to be _sold_ on supporting a presidential candidate. To be prompted to vote for someone who checks all the boxes, and listens, and stirs the emotions. All of that – that’s one thing **over there somewhere**. Something aspirational, something to come, something we have to set up for and work towards. > > **Over here** – right in front of me right this second – is another situation where I am being prompted to action. Except instead of casting a vote, I am given an eighth of a second to do _something_ to avoid an impending car crash. Given the **circumstances** , I don’t have to be sold on the idea of performing evasive maneuvers or of hitting the brakes hard. I just do it and worry about whatever else after the emergency has passed. > > For me, the 2024 presidential election has a lot in commonality with the latter scenario. > [@Jay\_Z](#): > > So yeah, get over it. In a burning house it’s becoming repugnant to me. I’m fine with voting on fear. Fear is an actual emotion and we should pay attention to it. > [@Stratocaster](#): > > I’m enthusiastically voting for Biden. I think he’s been a terrific president. My posting has been consistent on this in this and other threads. > > I’ll concede that even if he were a “normally awful” candidate, he’d still get my vote given the existential threat that is Trump. But he’s not. And your implication that Biden supporters are a monolithic block of ambivalent voters planning to hold their noses when they pull the lever is silly. . . . In sum: You need to support your claim that there are numbers of Biden supporters arguing “from a position of coercion.” ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/393 "2024-05-12T22:26:07Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1001913/47): > > You quoted two people who admit they are voting on fear. Sorry I don’t know what more evidence you need. You’ve been arguing that supporting Biden “from a position of coercion” _matters_. (Otherwise, why mention it?) You’ve provided some rather shaky evidence that TWO voters are supporting Biden “from a position of coercion.” It’s shaky for at least two reasons: first, because you are drawing a conclusion with which the two may not agree (and while they can read their own minds, you lack that capacity). And second, because “a position of coercion” implies that _someone or something is doing the coercing_. Who is that for these two posters? What’s your claim there? Even if you were to overcome those weaknesses in your argument, you’d be left trying to explain why two people supporting Biden “from a position of coercion” will affect the election outcome in any way that would make a difference to that outcome. ---
**Author:** ![HongKongFui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c77e96/32.png) [@HongKongFui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HongKongFui)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/396 "2024-05-13T01:00:31Z")
If there was a sudden snap election- that would be a GREAT thing! you all have to agree that taking the scoundrels by surprise, unaware and unprepared woUld greatly decrease a coordinated plan for electoral fraud by either party (if you have bias opinions on this then you ARE a BIG part of the issue). It may also put a spanner in any “technically legal” but equally unacceptable initiatives of buying votes from voters that have traditionally and often constitutionally not been allowed to vote. I also include in this group persons that may have no interest, knowledge, care or responsibility to vote, and are only voting for a single targeted and usually selfish reasons white completely disregarding any other policies from any party (I am guilty of doing this my first vote, as a naive 19yo student, was only for the promise of zero interest in student loans) Examples of these Immigrant voting - votes for visa Compensation- large monetary rewards Lowering voter age Student loan forgiveness Universal income Free dental care 😳 etc etc. So- you wouldn’t have to BLAME anyone, an election that is voted for on the merits of the candidates and their policies, that are for both personal reasons and for your country’s long term future, without fraud and bribery is all that anyone desires and deserves in a democracy. Wouldn’t BLAMING someone for loosing because they were unprepared sounds like you want them to win at all costs. The people do not want THAT. And so from your question alone, and the casual phrasing of it’ sounds like a willingness to accept crime and dishonesty as reasonable steps to take for a win. If Biden wins the election(polling consistently as THE worse POTUS) the world will know America is beyond repair. ---
**Author:** ![HongKongFui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c77e96/32.png) [@HongKongFui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HongKongFui)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/397 "2024-05-13T01:25:37Z")
Worst advice ever. The only time you should use fear as a decider in actions is at the precise moment of danger, where there is no time to investigate options or rationalize the fear emotion. It is an emotion and if the whole world worked on emotion only (marketers/propagandist wet dream) Climate change, disease, war, crime, economy crashing, prices increasing etc would be constantly and neferously pushed by governments - oh wait!.. Seems familiar? This person is a shill. The next warning sign for lies and deception—EVERYTIME you see or hear BABIES: “Ohh the BABIES! THE BABIES 😭😭😭😭, your children, their children, your grandchildren Why are you not thinking about the babies and the babies babies that might not be babies because you didn’t care for the babies when you had the chance! And they were ONLY babies and you let the DIE!.” why do the do this, because babies(and puppies) are direct heart string levers. Emotional blackmail, do not take any BABY shill at face value, there is always a deception when they use this. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/398 "2024-05-13T01:38:03Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1001913/48): > > When someone talks about voting for Biden as if there is a gun pointing at their head, they come across as nutty as the proselytizer who talks about going to church as if they are fleeing Hell Actually they don’t. They come across as someone who may be concerned with such things as: US departure from NATO, along with a possibility of the dissolution of that organization; Undermining or eliminating support for Ukraine, which is absolutely critical to helping to maintain something resembling a peaceful, civilized society; The breakdown of the convention of peaceful transfers of power (for which we have actual evidence); The spreading of pseudo-scientific, dangerous misinformation as shown during the pandemic; The spreading and enabling and encouraging of racism; The use of the office solely to support his own selfish, greedy interests; and The encouraging of authoritarian “strongmen” as political leaders globally, among others. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/400 "2024-05-13T02:23:31Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1001913/50): > > You can discuss these things without coming across as frantic and panicked. The point is, whether one votes **for** Biden or **against** Trump is completely irrelevant. And frantic and panicked or otherwise, the possible breakdown of the post-WW II order and an impending climate disaster, are worthy of significant levels of concern. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/401 "2024-05-13T02:28:41Z")
Moderating: > [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1001913/50): > > You can discuss these things without coming across as frantic and panicked. I think we need to be honest and admit that these emotions are being expressed more often than calm reason. > > Look, the fact that you didn’t object the first time I characterized this as fear speaks volumes. You recognize this as your motive, and it’s okay to accept it. > > There is no need to defend being afraid either. I get it. You can discuss what you feel and your own motives for voting as you choose. You can discuss matters in general terms. But you have begun personalizing the motives of others, and that borders on trolling. We don’t allow this. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/402 "2024-05-13T02:29:18Z")
This I agree with. My qualms are with people who think they have to defend Biden and the DNC at all costs. I always had disagreements with Biden, but I was MUCH more enthusiastic about voting for him than I am now. I know it’s the most difficult job out there… but he was insistent on running this time around, and he does work for us. People who expect me to like him, or people who make excuses for some of his actions, I just don’t understand. That’s what Trumpers are like. It turns people away when you think he’s so great, (in my opinion). I think they are believing some things more on emotion, than anything… I don’t think they are being as objective as they possibly can be, because they believe it’ll do harm to complain, possibly… I could be wrong. I believe that people refraining from voting or voting 3rd Party are doing so out of emotion as well, though… just not fear, apparently. I don’t understand what they expect will happen once Trump wins. Who will they work with to lobby against his horrible policies? How will they prevent conservatives from staying in power? You think your choices are shit now, wait till Trump takes over. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/403 "2024-05-13T02:49:38Z")
Starting on a new tack here, as I haven’t followed many of the nearly 400 posts preceding this one, but let me suggest that if Biden loses – and there’s reasonable probability that he will – among the many factors to blame are a highly politicized and dysfunctional justice system and the absence of responsible media reporting on that dysfunction due both to the politicization of the mass media and the commercial motives that drive profits before journalists’ fundamental responsibility to inform the public. Trump’s entire career has been one of essentially criminal racketeering with total disregard for the law. The plethora of charges he faces would have landed any ordinary person in jail for decades or for life for hundreds of millions of dollars of blatant fraud, for serious violations of national security laws, for blatant election interference to the point of insurrection, and many other crimes. Trump is a career criminal at the level of a Mafia godfather, yet despite all the hard evidence the only trial that is going ahead is the least of the violations, and the others have been delayed and likely permanently derailed by various machinations of the Supreme Court and the appellate court in Georgia, both of which appear to be politically motivated, and by a pathetically ineffective Justice Department. And therein lies a major part of the blame if Americans decide to vote for Trump over Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/404 "2024-05-13T15:25:41Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1001913/48): > > > [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1001913/48): > > > > When someone talks about voting for Biden as if there is a gun pointing at their head, they come across as nutty as the proselytizer who talks about going to church as if they are fleeing Hell > > Actually they don’t. They come across as someone who may be concerned with such things as: > > US departure from NATO, along with a possibility of the dissolution of that organization; > > Undermining or eliminating support for Ukraine, which is absolutely critical to helping to maintain something resembling a peaceful, civilized society; > > The breakdown of the convention of peaceful transfers of power (for which we have actual evidence); > > The spreading of pseudo-scientific, dangerous misinformation as shown during the pandemic; > > The spreading and enabling and encouraging of racism; > > The use of the office solely to support his own selfish, greedy interests; and > > The encouraging of authoritarian “strongmen” as political leaders globally, among others. Just to echo this response … The streetcorner nutjob ranting about Hell is ranting about something that probably isn’t real. There’s no evidence for it whatsoever. That’s why we ignore them. Dems ranting about Trump are ranting about something very real. We got a four-year look at what a Trump presidency looks like, and it’s pretty fucking clear that another Trump administration would be significantly worse. Evidence: [the 2025 Project](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.project2025.org/&ved=2ahUKEwjQlbKS94qGAxWpJjQIHVK0A34QFnoECB0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw3VVWGhliXIsCIFYytpV07E). More evidence: pretty much anything Trump says on Xitter or at his rallies. So, yeah, we’re voting for Biden out of fear. And anyone who fears for the climate, for women’s rights, for LGBTQ rights, for sanity in government, or for any number of other endangered causes ought to be scared enough to do the same. Because … you might want to sit down for this … if Biden loses, we get four more years of Trump. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/405 "2024-05-13T15:33:55Z")
> [@HongKongFui](#): > > Worst advice ever. > > The only time you should use fear as a decider in actions is at the precise moment of danger, where there is no time to investigate options or rationalize the fear emotion. And this is the precise moment of danger. If Trump isn’t stopped, then it’s too late. The investigation of options and rationalization of the fear emotion should have happened during Trump’s first term and after, because we’ve seen just the beginning of, or potential for, far more and far worse to come. There is a shitload to fear; as I said in another post in this thread: > [@velomont](#): > > They come across as someone who may be concerned with such things as: > > US departure from NATO, along with a possibility of the dissolution of that organization; > > Undermining or eliminating support for Ukraine, which is absolutely critical to helping to maintain something resembling a peaceful, civilized society; > > The breakdown of the convention of peaceful transfers of power (for which we have actual evidence); > > The spreading of pseudo-scientific, dangerous misinformation as shown during the pandemic; > > The spreading and enabling and encouraging of racism; > > The use of the office solely to support his own selfish, greedy interests; and > > The encouraging of authoritarian “strongmen” as political leaders globally, among others. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/406 "2024-05-22T16:12:51Z")
57 posts were merged into an existing topic: [SyncoSmalls trocking thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/syncosmalls-trocking-thread/1001913/51) ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/407 "2024-05-13T16:01:58Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1001913/51): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > Dems ranting about Trump are ranting about something very real. > > Everyone thinks they are ranting about something very real. Yeah, but we really are! 😀 Seriously, if you don’t agree that the prospect of a second Trump administration is something both very real and very much worth fearing, then we may have to agree to disagree and move on. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/408 "2024-05-13T16:07:37Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1001913/51): > > Everyone thinks they are ranting about something very real. The problem is that when you’re ranting, others are tuning you out. They are changing the channel to someone who isn’t ranting. > > Being justified in ranting doesnt save you from the consequences of ranting. If everyone who is ranting understands this, then what I’m saying shouldn’t be controversial. What’s interesting here is that Trump is a nototious ranter. Yet it doesn’t seem to cost him a whit. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/409 "2024-05-13T16:19:25Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1001913/13): > > Politicians reap what they sow. Unless you’re Republican, in which case you can openly commit crimes, incite violence and support foreign adversaries and never lose supporters. Who will then blame your opponent for “making” them vote for you because he was “ranting” and “accusing them of being stupid for supporting a criminal traitor”. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/412 "2024-05-13T17:17:45Z")
He got more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016. His ranting didn’t seem to convince many people not to vote for him. Although it did, apparently, convince enough people who sat out 2016 to go to the polls in 2020, and give Joe Biden more votes than any other presidential candidate in American history. It’s looking like that was a one-off, though, so good news for you, I guess: Biden’s likely to be a one term president, just like you wanted. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/414 "2024-05-13T17:33:30Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > What’s interesting here is that Trump is a nototious ranter. Yet it doesn’t seem to cost him a whit. The whole dynamic is that Republicans get to be the Id and Democrats are allowed to clean up. If that. This dynamic needs to change. It’s why Democrats can’t abandon anger and fear and should embrace those emotions. They are valid emotions. Climate change is going to be so difficult anyway, so many entrenched institutions getting in the way, no I am not going to tolerate a 500 pound gorilla jumping up and down on the wrong side of the scale. Which is a perfect encapsulation of the R party. Just change the mascot to a gorilla. Yes people should be fearful. Yes people should be angry. If I have to lead on this issue I will do so. Why do you want to keep cleaning up someone else’s garbage? And by the way, we are rapidly approaching or already past the point where we are not going to be able to clean up, at all. Why do you, and I am speaking to anyone on the left or leaning left, why do you persist in this awful dynamic? Why is it so good for you? Why do you continue to seek division and moronic memes like man-woman-bear? I’ll say it again. Wake the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/415 "2024-05-13T17:38:52Z")
I’m afraid of letting the most evil person this nation has ever produced back into the Oval Office. But that doesn’t stop me from pointing out that Biden has done a pretty decent job in spite of entrenched Republican opposition. Rather than having so many infrastructure weeks like the running joke of the previous administration, he got one through Congress. He’s trying to get relief for people on student loans. The Chips Act helps our national security. He has strengthened NATO and stood firm for Ukraine and in opposition to Putin. His Supreme Court pick was solid. He has brough decency back to the Oval Office. But if all of that isn’t enough to make you vote for him, then consider the alternative if we elect a psychopath. If that doesn’t scare you out of wasting your vote on a third party, than nothing will. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233.md?page=19)