# Who's to blame if Biden loses? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 7, 2024, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233 "2024-05-07T18:41:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/801 "2024-06-29T23:44:25Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > The DNC’s toe-the-line, circle-the-wagon, stick-to-the-status-quo, don’t-change, punish-those-who-dissent, say-the-emperor-is-wearing-nice-clothes culture. Funny, because that sounds like the GOP. The Dems are infamous (not entirely fairly but not entirely unfairly) for factioning, infighting, _not_ sticking to a party line, panicking at the drop of a hat, giving up and going home, and generally being a circular firing squad. “I’m not a member of any organized party, I’m a Democrat.” I thought _maybe_ with MAGA/Freedom Caucus vs. establishment GOP that some of that bad juju had been passed off to the other side – see the House speaker fight(s). Silly me. Maybe a little toeing the line and circling the wagons just this once would do the party some good … and the nation too considering who’s on the other side of the ballot. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/802 "2024-06-29T23:44:54Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > If Trump is re-elected, and he defies a Supreme Court order, that would cement in historical judgment that SCOTUS was to blame for Biden (or another Democrat to be named) losing to constitutionally disqualified oath-breaker Donald Trump. History is written by the winners, so they will not be blamed. In fact, they will probably be credited for righting some imaginary wrong. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/803 "2024-06-29T23:54:36Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > History is written by the winners, so they will not be blamed. In fact, they will probably be credited for righting some imaginary wrong. I was thinking more of what most historians, in countries with academic freedom, and freedom of the press, might write. If Trump and successors gained control over U.S. universities and publishers, you would be correct, for the United States, until we went back to being a free country. It would have been better to stick to my point rather than guessing about future authors. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/804 "2024-06-29T23:59:26Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > If Trump and successors gained control over U.S. universities and publishers, you would be correct, for the United States, until we went back to being a free country. I find it disturbing that so many people cannot tell the difference between a teeter-totter and a cliff. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/805 "2024-06-30T00:27:27Z")
That’s really good. I’m stealing it, okay? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/806 "2024-06-30T00:30:00Z")
That’s easy: this election is two candidates on a teeter-totter. On a cliff. The fat candidate is the one closest to the edge, but he just might pull the whole thing over. ---
**Author:** ![ratatoskK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ratatoskk/32/2987_2.png) [@ratatoskK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratatoskK)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/807 "2024-06-30T14:53:57Z")
Who will be to blame? Biden, for not dropping out. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/808 "2024-07-01T17:45:16Z")
I’m not sure if I’m on board with that at this point, as much as I’d rather it have been the case **months** ago, while he was being rammed down our throats. Right now, beating Trump is Paramount, but it’s so late in the process. There’s a lot of blame to go around, here, imho. I’m so disillusioned. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/809 "2024-07-01T18:15:32Z")
There’s no blame yet, because there’s no loss yet. I’m very worried, but I won’t be “disillusioned” until and unless we lose. We can still win. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/810 "2024-07-01T18:16:25Z")
There is an “if” in the title. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/811 "2024-07-01T18:16:31Z")
We already lost. Even if he is President. I don’t know… things seem so bleak. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/812 "2024-07-01T18:18:59Z")
The blame is in many places, but SCOTUS can certainly take some of it because of today’s ruling that empowers Trump to a great degree, encouraging his followers. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/813 "2024-07-01T18:21:26Z")
Trump put in his goons. Obama rolled over when blocked from picking a Judge. Ruth didn’t retire. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/814 "2024-07-01T18:21:46Z")
Cheer up! I hear the ghetto is Liberty! [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/YZ2hKk9GozY/hqdefault.jpg "Schindler's List move to ghetto clip") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ2hKk9GozY) ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/815 "2024-07-01T18:42:56Z")
For spirited defense of circle-the-wagons, read the last four days of the Votemaster ([www.elecoralvote.com](http://www.elecoralvote.com) and use the back button for previous days). They give strong arguments why dropping Biden this late in the game would be a fatal mistake. At least they convinced me. Incidentally, they blame the prep, which filled Biden up with facts, instead of attacking Trump and his firehose of lies. ---
**Author:** ![XOldiesJock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ec9cab/32.png) [@XOldiesJock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XOldiesJock)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/816 "2024-07-03T01:40:41Z")
I’ve never thought Joe Biden had any real intention of running for a second term. As I recall, he presented himself as a kind-of bridge between generations. I feel the Democratic Party let him down, and lacking any real alternatives, he felt he had no choice. They’ve made very little effort to cultivate younger members of the party and promote them as nationally recognized persons and potential leaders. Just my $.02. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/817 "2024-07-03T13:41:47Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > Trump put in his goons. Obama rolled over when blocked from picking a Judge. Ruth didn’t retire. It’s okay to be pissed at the DNC. I forgot about Biden and Clarence Thomas. And Biden’s still trying to appease both sides. So, yeah. I’m sick of feeling guilty for disliking the Democrats in power. I’m sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/818 "2024-07-03T14:19:46Z")
I think that was just an assumption on many people’s parts. Biden never said he was not going to run for a 2nd term. When you have been chasing a role for decades it is going to be hard to give it up. The Democrats have plenty of other viable options. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2024, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whos-to-blame-if-biden-loses/1001233/819 "2024-08-05T16:29:54Z")
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