# Whose NFL fanbase do you most pity (preferably not your own)?

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**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [December 17, 2014, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whose-nfl-fanbase-do-you-most-pity-preferably-not-your-own/707481 "2014-12-17T10:05:57Z")\
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**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\
**Post date:** [January 4, 2015, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whose-nfl-fanbase-do-you-most-pity-preferably-not-your-own/707481/61 "2015-01-04T08:44:36Z")

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> [@Zyanthia](#):
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> I think I’ll have to vote for the Jaguars. They are one of three teams to have never drafted a hall of famer in the draft (as contrasted to the 1974 Steelers who drafted 4 future hall of famers in one draft). They haven’t had a winning season since 2007 where they won a wild card.

I think it’s four teams… Jaguars, Panthers, Texans, and Ravens (though the list will go back down to three as soon as Ray Lewis is eligible).

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**Author:** ![piepiepie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47774/32.png) [@piepiepie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/piepiepie)\
**Post date:** [January 4, 2015, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whose-nfl-fanbase-do-you-most-pity-preferably-not-your-own/707481/62 "2015-01-04T13:15:22Z")

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Jon Ogden. First draft pick of the Baltimore Ravens and Hall of Fame offensive tackle (class of 2013).

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**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\
**Post date:** [January 4, 2015, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whose-nfl-fanbase-do-you-most-pity-preferably-not-your-own/707481/63 "2015-01-04T13:50:49Z")

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> [@DinoR](#):
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> Well they were there at the start of the Super Bowl era. Cleveland fans had to live with “the Move.” There was a compromise that treated the Ravens as a new team leaving the historical records with the inactive Cleveland Browns. There was a gap and then _poof_ there’s Cleveland Browns again. That’s certainly more history of futility for fans than completely new expansion teams.
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> Go Lions! Win a playoff game… just one… pretty please.

I consider the original teams:

East  
New York Giants  
Pittsburgh Steelers  
Philadelphia Eagles  
Washington Redskins

West  
Green Bay Packers  
Chicago Bears  
Detroit Lions  
Arizona Cardinals

These are the teams that have existed since the 30s. Going back further than that reduces the pool to just a handful. Franchises from the 20s that we still have:

New York Giants  
Green Bay Packers  
Chicago Bears  
Arizona Cardinals

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**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\
**Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whose-nfl-fanbase-do-you-most-pity-preferably-not-your-own/707481/64 "2015-01-06T23:03:00Z")

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> [@EllisDee](#):
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> I consider the original teams:
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> East  
> New York Giants  
> Pittsburgh Steelers  
> Philadelphia Eagles  
> Washington Redskins
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> West  
> Green Bay Packers  
> Chicago Bears  
> Detroit Lions  
> Arizona Cardinals
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> These are the teams that have existed since the 30s. Going back further than that reduces the pool to just a handful. Franchises from the 20s that we still have:
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> New York Giants  
> Green Bay Packers  
> Chicago Bears  
> Arizona Cardinals

Though of course the Cardinals were originally a Chicago team.

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