# Why a new incredible hulk? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 2, 2008, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-a-new-incredible-hulk/451488 "2008-06-02T15:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-a-new-incredible-hulk/451488/41 "2008-06-03T23:41:04Z")
[QUOTE=Scumpup] I always favored DC over Marvel in any case, but I always considered the Hulk to be the lamest 1st line character in the whole Marvel stable. [/quote] OK, yeah, you really don’t get Hulk. > [@](#): > > I found Ang Lee’s movie far more entertaining than I thought it would be. A movie that concentrates on “Hulk smash!” is going to be just another CGI snorefest. Maybe I’m alone in this, but as CGI has become the mainstay of action movies, action movies have increasingly sucked. I see what you’re saying, & in principle you have a point. But Ang Lee’s movie was thematically wandering & added a lot of crud on top of the source material, so I think it is possible to do a better job. It remains to be seen whether they have. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-a-new-incredible-hulk/451488/42 "2008-06-04T01:01:35Z")
[QUOTE=foolsguinea] OK, yeah, you really don’t get Hulk. [/QUOTE] I get that he’s been a lame character, IMO, since I first saw the character when I was a child in the 60’s. The badly animated cartoons from that time didn’t change that opinion. The awful TV series with Bill Bixby didn’t change that opinion. The odd comic book I picked up in the 70’s and 80’s with Hulk in them didn’t change that opinion. The Ang Lee movie was probably the only thing with Hulk as the main character that I ever liked at all. I get the character. I just think it’s lame. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-a-new-incredible-hulk/451488/43 "2008-06-04T01:30:55Z")
[QUOTE=Trunk] I couldn’t be more underwhelmed by the trailers. More running, smashing CGI beasts. [/QUOTE] I’m glad I’m not the only one who is completely un-wowed by the trailer and the CGI. They’ve made the Hulk uglier than ever. Does Hulk talk? He’s supposed to. That’s was separates him from monsters. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-a-new-incredible-hulk/451488/44 "2008-06-04T13:25:17Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] Does Hulk talk? He’s supposed to. That’s was separates him from monsters. [/QUOTE] Ironically, the only speech sound bites I’ve heard so far have him saying “ME WANT COOKIE!” and “OM nom nom nom nom!” ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-a-new-incredible-hulk/451488/45 "2008-06-04T13:57:40Z")
[QUOTE=Gatopescado] To sell more toys/happymeals/crap. Its not a movie. Its a commercial. [/QUOTE] Seconded. I recently saw some new clips/trailers that showed the Hulk with the “crushed car boxing gloves” that they had in the **Hulk: Ultimate Destruction** video game. That’s pure game marketing, and freakin’ absurd. What works in video games does not necessarily work in the movies, people. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-a-new-incredible-hulk/451488/46 "2008-06-04T14:39:12Z")
[QUOTE=smiling bandit] The Ultimates Universe is where _everyone_ is an anti-hero or quasi-fascist. That’s about it. [/QUOTE] That’s just not true. The recent _Iron Man_ was fairly true to Tony Stark as he was portrayed in Ultimates, and certainly Ultimate Thor is a lot less lame (ha!) and more interesting (to me) than regular Thor, with the Jesus overtones. Plus he was yummy! And Ultimates Wasp is more interesting and rounded than the 3rd string original. Plus the whole investigation of what it would actually mean that Cap fast-forwarded 60 years to an alien culture is very well done, IMO. In fact, I’d say Ultimate Ant-Man/Giant Man is the only one who really gets the short end, but he was never that interesting to start off with. And as for Ultimate Hulk? He’s exactly what I’d imagine an out-of-control id to be like. Easily led and out-of-control. And he totally fucks up the Abomination because of it. That’s Zen for you. [QUOTE=smiling bandit] And no, there’s not a snowball’s chance in Hell of seeing that reach the big screen with the word “Marvel” attached. [/QUOTE] Like I said, _Iron Man_ was there, only with “damaged heart” rather than “tumour”. We’ll see what Hulk and Captain America are like. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-a-new-incredible-hulk/451488/47 "2008-06-04T15:17:53Z")
I loved the early '90s Captain America but I was 10 or so when I saw it last. ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-a-new-incredible-hulk/451488/48 "2008-06-04T16:04:30Z")
[QUOTE=MrDibble] That’s just not true. The recent _Iron Man_ was fairly true to Tony Stark as he was portrayed in Ultimates, and certainly Ultimate Thor is a lot less lame (ha!) and more interesting (to me) than regular Thor, with the Jesus overtones. Plus he was yummy! And Ultimates Wasp is more interesting and rounded than the 3rd string original. Plus the whole investigation of what it would actually mean that Cap fast-forwarded 60 years to an alien culture is very well done, IMO. In fact, I’d say Ultimate Ant-Man/Giant Man is the only one who really gets the short end, but he was never that interesting to start off with. And as for Ultimate Hulk? He’s exactly what I’d imagine an out-of-control id to be like. Easily led and out-of-control. And he totally fucks up the Abomination because of it. That’s Zen for you. Like I said, _Iron Man_ was there, only with “damaged heart” rather than “tumour”. We’ll see what Hulk and Captain America are like. [/QUOTE] Er, the movie Iron Man had way, _way_ more to do with the 616 Tony Stark than his Ultimate counterpart. The only thing they really took from the Ultimate version was the modern take on Tony’s playboy persona, which was just an updated version of his Comics Code-approved antics in the 60’s. His origin, his armor, Obediah Stahne, Pepper Potts, and pretty much everything else was pure 616 Shellhead. I also strongly, _strongly_ disagree with Ultimate anyone being even remotely as interesting as their 616 counterparts, and agree that there’s absolutely no way we’re going to see anything resembling the Ultimates on the big screen. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-a-new-incredible-hulk/451488/49 "2008-06-04T18:14:25Z")
[QUOTE=MrDibble] Like I said, _Iron Man_ was there, only with “damaged heart” rather than “tumour”. We’ll see what Hulk and Captain America are like. [/QUOTE] Ah, no. The Hulk is not going to EAT PEOPLE on the big screen. That would quite possibly kill the entire comic line right there, when parents take their children to a summer action flick and come out seeing a gory cannibalism scene. Actually, the movie would have been rated R for it. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-a-new-incredible-hulk/451488/50 "2008-06-04T18:33:03Z")
“Hulk nosh!” ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-a-new-incredible-hulk/451488/51 "2008-06-04T18:57:43Z")
I liked Peter David’s take on the Hulk…that despite decades of insistence to the contrary, the Hulk and puny Banner really are the same person. A movie about a guy who sometimes vanishes and is replaced by a green monster isn’t very interesting. Bruce Banner as a monster who has managed to repress his monstrous nature his entire life is much more interesting. As for Ultimate Hulk, one part I really liked is when they had a 9/11 style memorial for the victims of the Hulk Incident. I mean, if the Hulk really is an out of control monster, you’d think that hundreds of people would be dead as a result of him smashing buildings and crushing puny humans. Even if Hulk isn’t vicious he’s going to kill people all day every day just by accident. Standard Marvel Universe Hulk somehow manages to avoid hurting anyone, even people who shoot at him. That just doesn’t make any sense. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-a-new-incredible-hulk/451488/52 "2008-06-04T19:06:21Z")
[QUOTE=Lemur866] I liked Peter David’s take on the Hulk…that despite decades of insistence to the contrary, the Hulk and puny Banner really are the same person. A movie about a guy who sometimes vanishes and is replaced by a green monster isn’t very interesting. Bruce Banner as a monster who has managed to repress his monstrous nature his entire life is much more interesting. [/quote] I agree. The problem is that he can never be allowed to come to terms or move on with his emotions, because then there’d be less “tension.” Which is too bad. > [@](#): > > As for Ultimate Hulk, one part I really liked is when they had a 9/11 style memorial for the victims of the Hulk Incident. I mean, if the Hulk really is an out of control monster, you’d think that hundreds of people would be dead as a result of him smashing buildings and crushing puny humans. Even if Hulk isn’t vicious he’s going to kill people all day every day just by accident. Standard Marvel Universe Hulk somehow manages to avoid hurting anyone, even people who shoot at him. That just doesn’t make any sense. Kinda. The “normal” Hulk isn’t actually very violent; he just has no “civilized” limits on his behavior except that he wears pants. He’s basically a total barbarian, not a monster. When he gets mad, he actually just hits whatever made him mad, but generally he is seriously provoked into hurting people. Of course, bullets only annoy him very slightly. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-a-new-incredible-hulk/451488/53 "2008-06-04T19:10:38Z")
[QUOTE=Dead Badger] Perhaps they wanted to use a director whose name didn’t give rise to such obvious [jokes](http://youtube.com/watch?v=ltT9dMGiFjI). [/QUOTE] HA! Thanks for that. What a payoff! ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-a-new-incredible-hulk/451488/54 "2008-06-04T20:44:55Z")
[QUOTE=shy guy] Er, the movie Iron Man had way, _way_ more to do with the 616 Tony Stark than his Ultimate counterpart. The only thing they really took from the Ultimate version was the modern take on Tony’s playboy persona, which was just an updated version of his Comics Code-approved antics in the 60’s. His origin, his armor, Obediah Stahne, Pepper Potts, and pretty much everything else was pure 616 Shellhead. I also strongly, _strongly_ disagree with Ultimate anyone being even remotely as interesting as their 616 counterparts, and agree that there’s absolutely no way we’re going to see anything resembling the Ultimates on the big screen. [/QUOTE] What about Samuel Jackson as Nick Fury? My theatre exploded in screaming when he came on, now tell me agian about we’ll never see any “Ultimates” elements in the movies. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-a-new-incredible-hulk/451488/55 "2008-06-04T20:53:07Z")
[QUOTE=BMalion] What about Samuel Jackson as Nick Fury? [/QUOTE] Who would you get to play Fury? David Hasselhoff? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-a-new-incredible-hulk/451488.md?page=2)