# Why all the hate against Amber Heard? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 27, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545 "2022-04-27T14:23:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/281 "2022-06-02T14:02:30Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I don’t agree with Depp’s being exiled from his industry over it necessarily There’s no way that would happen. Not for very long, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/282 "2022-06-02T14:15:41Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > That was something that was really disconcerting-all of the “Depp’s lawyer DESTROYS Amber’s testimony!” The breathless excitement of it. That doesn’t sound different than 75% of click-bait Youtube video titles New tech DESTROYS last generation! Did this man CHEAT eating giant burrito This video game build MELTS ALL competition AMAZING weird STICK I found in BACKYARD I suspect it has mostly to do with wanting clicks and Youtube revenue versus breathless excitement from the creators. I’m sure everyone here would say they’d rather see “Reasoned and measured analysis to court case”, but the advertisers know what titles people click on most. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/283 "2022-06-02T14:21:44Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > There’s no way that would happen. Not for very long, anyway. I mean, he has been exiled from the industry, but that’s because he starred in a series of expensive flops. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/284 "2022-06-02T14:23:27Z")
Ah, that’s true. I more meant as the result of bad behavior. Perhaps I’m too cynical. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/285 "2022-06-02T14:29:19Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m repulsed by Johnny’s excessive lifestyle. I didn’t realize a person could drink and drug that heavily and still work. I guess raw talent overcomes all that booze. I’m your opposite here. I wish I could live his “excessive lifestyle”. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/286 "2022-06-02T14:47:14Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Why did this trial catch fire on Youtube to such a degree? That was something that was really disconcerting-all of the “Depp’s lawyer DESTROYS Amber’s testimony!” The breathless excitement of it. This saga has a significant backdrop of online conflict between the “always believe women” faction and the “women make shit up” faction. And lest we are tempted to assume the latter group are always men, there’s a depressingly high population of abused women who disbelieve other women because their stories don’t seem as credible or relatable as what they themselves went through. “Your weak story is making people misbelieve my very credible story” in other words. Personally I don’t know who to believe. I can’t make much sense out of raw evidence because I don’t have the background, but all the contextualized reporting seems 100% filtered through biased factional reporting. You look at one piece of evidence that seems like a smoking gun, and then eight other pieces that make it seem like not a big deal. All I can say is I hope the jury got it right, because if they screwed up, it’s a terrible day for domestic violence survivors. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/287 "2022-06-02T14:52:59Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > This saga has a significant backdrop of online conflict between the “always believe women” faction and the “women make shit up” faction. This. That recording of her saying “no one is going to believe you because you are a man” is going to be used by misogynists’ in perpetuity to dismiss women. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/288 "2022-06-02T14:54:28Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > This saga has a significant backdrop of online conflict between the “always believe women” faction and the “women make shit up” faction. I don’t think it’s good to frame it that way. The existence of an “always believe women” faction (beyond a tiny number of nutjobs) is a straw man _invented_ by the “women make shit up” faction. It’s granting their false premise. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/289 "2022-06-02T14:57:52Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > The existence of an “always believe women” faction (beyond a tiny number of nutjobs) I’m glad you added the disclaimer because I work with one of them. It’s exhausting restraining my eyerolls when she talks. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/290 "2022-06-02T15:01:16Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > As far as I can tell, Heard absolutely did defame Depp, but a UK court in ruling against Depp’s claim that British newspapers defamed him found that something like 12 allegations of violence against him were “substantially true.” Corrections welcome, but my limited understanding is that the UK court ruling was based in large part (or entirely) on the article Amber Heard wrote, which is the same article that the US court just ruled was false and defamatory. Again, corrections welcome, but if that were the case, that would explain why nobody is focusing on the UK ruling. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/291 "2022-06-02T15:02:36Z")
Blackstone’s Ratio: “ It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.” Let’s tweak that: “It is better that ten men who’ve beat their wives to a pulp and raped them with wine bottles escape than that one innocent suffer.” You can make the original quote and everyone will nod in agreement, but when a specific outrage is alleged that’s an unacceptable statement. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/292 "2022-06-02T15:06:06Z")
Is it common now that courts in the US will allow the cross examination and testimony to be videotaped in the courtroom? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/293 "2022-06-02T15:12:13Z")
It varies considerable. Almost never in Federal Court, but some state courts allow it. More since pandemic restrictions designed to limit the number of people in the courtroom. King County (Seattle) courts generally allow cameras, but it’s still up to the judge in each case. Of course, in most cases there is no interest in bringing in cameras. I think I’ve only had cameras in court for two trials in my whole career. ETA: Some courtrooms use video as the official record of the proceedings. You can get a DVD of each day’s testimony from the clerk for a modest fee. I’ve done a lot of trials with this type of system. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/294 "2022-06-02T15:13:22Z")
Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19adc/32.png) [@SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpacemanSpiff_II)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/295 "2022-06-02T15:37:49Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > That recording of her saying “no one is going to believe you because you are a man” is going to be used by misogynists’ in perpetuity to dismiss women. That raises the question as to whether Amber Heard herself is a misogynist for expressing that same sentiment. Or, is it possible that even some non-misogynists also see it that way? > [@Riemann](#): > > The existence of an “always believe women” faction (beyond a tiny number of nutjobs) is a straw man _invented_ by the “women make shit up” faction. I don’t think this is true. Firstly, many people say outright that false accusations of abuse almost never happen (and use that to assess the likelihood in specific cases). The difference between almost never and never is insignificant. Second, even among people who don’t explicitly own up to “always believe women”, there are many who as a practical matter will believe women 100% of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/296 "2022-06-02T15:47:17Z")
[A sampling from Reddit of why people (there) care.](https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/v2ryd7/johnny_deppamber_heard_trial_verdict_popcorn/) ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/297 "2022-06-02T15:48:38Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I don’t think it’s good to frame it that way. The existence of an “always believe women” faction (beyond a tiny number of nutjobs) is a straw man _invented_ by the “women make shit up” faction. Would you be able to cite that the “always believe women” faction is much smaller than the “women always lie” faction? Because this seems like a very subjective judgment that is almost entirely determined by what media one consumes and how one is motivated to interpret it. And to be candid, there seems to be no shortage of both actual nutjobs and contrived strawmen all around. I make no such assessment, I just observe that both factions exist online, and both seem more or less equally noisy to me, and they generate so much noise that it’s really hard to tease out the signal. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/298 "2022-06-02T15:51:21Z")
> [@SpacemanSpiff\_II](#): > > Firstly, many people say outright that false accusations of abuse almost never happen (and use that to assess the likelihood in specific cases). The difference between almost never and never is insignificant. Many people may say that, but it comes up a lot more often in divorce and child custody cases. And the difference between almost never and never is significant, it’s the difference between something and nothing. However, in this case the only thing that mattered was the actual provable behavior of these two pathetic humans. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/299 "2022-06-02T15:55:50Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I finally got curious as to “why are so many people talking about this and seemingly taking sides in what should be a private matter.” I think it’s probably safe to assume the main reason is because they’re both (one considerably more than the other) celebrities. If Johnny Depp got into a car accident it would on TMZ within an hour or two. But more so than that, people are curious and nosy. Honestly, you could put a random couple’s DV trial on the air and people would tune in day after day and even choose sides. ---
**Author:** ![SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19adc/32.png) [@SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpacemanSpiff_II)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/300 "2022-06-02T15:56:58Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > However, in this case the only thing that mattered was the actual provable behavior of these two pathetic humans. I don’t think that’s true, at least as far as public reaction goes. There are a lot of people who are very upset about this verdict and believe that it demonstrates the misogyny and patriarchy of society, or things along those lines. How people assess and interpret evidence (and what they consider “actual provable behavior”) in a specific case depends very much on their general attitudes as to the underlying issues involved. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545.md?page=16)