# Why all the hate against Amber Heard? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 27, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545 "2022-04-27T14:23:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/442 "2022-07-05T20:19:28Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > In all my life I have never in a moment of anger “tossed” a wine bottle toward anyone According to the evidence, neither has Johnny Depp. You know who has? Amber Heard, when she threw a jar/can of mineral…spirits?..directly at his nose. (I don’t know what the hell he was describing. Mineral spirits? No clue. At first he said jar and then corrected himself to can. It doesn’t sound like it was a plastic bottle.) ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/443 "2022-07-05T20:30:14Z")
There seems to be some equating of Depp being an obnoxious drunken asshole (no argument!) and being a violent abuser. (No remotely credible evidence). ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/444 "2022-07-05T20:33:00Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > In all my life I have never in a moment of anger “tossed” a wine bottle toward anyone, much less someone I was in a relationship with. This equivocating is grotesque. > [@EllisDee](#): > > According to the evidence, neither has Johnny Depp > [@Stoid](#): > > I just watched the testimony from her deposition and there were multiple people in the room, they were standing all together and he tossed a wine bottle in _their_ direction over some thing he was pissed about, [or](https://nypost.com/2022/05/19/ellen-barkin-says-johnny-depp-threw-wine-bottle-at-her/) > [@](#): > > The two actors had a fling in the 1990s while filming “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas,” Barkin said, recalling an incident where Depp allegedly launched a bottle of wine in her direction while fighting with others in a Sin City hotel room. > > “I don’t know why he threw the bottle,” she testified, adding, “It was more like a toss.” To repeat: > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > This equivocating is grotesque. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/445 "2022-07-05T20:34:36Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > I’d say take a look at the link below, but I honestly doubt it will make a difference for the “evil incarnate” crew. When you are able to look him throwing objects at her and somehow blame it on her, you’re pretty invested in fitting anything into a defined narrative. Checked it out. It is not meaningful, in that it is someone who clearly believes everything Heard said, which of course anyone is entitled to do, though I cannot fathom why. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/446 "2022-07-05T20:36:52Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > To repeat: Dude, did you even watch the Ellen Barkin video? Under oath she testifies that he tossed the bottle during an argument with his assistant on the other side of the room. It had nothing to do with her **at all**. She didn’t even know what they were fighting about. And there were a bunch of other people in the room. The way you continue to characterize that as domestic abuse is grotesque. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/447 "2022-07-05T20:38:30Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > To repeat: > > > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > > > This equivocating is grotesque. How is it equivocating to clarify that the fact, reported by Barkin herself, is that he did not throw a bottle at her at all, he tossed a bottle in the direction of a _group_ of people she was part of, when he was drunk and fighting with someone who was not her? Those are two completely different things, especially when being offered up as some kind of evidence that he is any kind of violent abuser of the women he has been in relationships with. That is completely invalid. He was a careless jerk, because someone might have been hit. That doesn’t make him a violent abuser, or anything close. Careless jerks and violent abusers are not equivalent. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/448 "2022-07-05T20:46:04Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Amber Heard abused Johnny Depp. Johnny Depp was the victim. Full stop. Yep, he was. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/449 "2022-07-05T20:48:50Z")
Okay. I succeeded for months at not getting drawn into this whole toxic stew, and it was a mistake for me to think it was safe to go back into the water. I’m out. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/450 "2022-07-05T20:58:21Z")
You and me both, man. You and me both. I’m reminded of this comic for no reason. > **[You're not going to believe what I'm about to tell you - The Oatmeal](https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe)** > > This is a comic about the backfire effect. ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/451 "2022-07-05T21:12:10Z")
Beautiful link. I ❤ the Oatmeal, but that’s a particularly lovely one. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/452 "2022-07-06T00:10:54Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I absolutely don’t see giving someone a pass when they behave with abusive violence; I can’t really understand that mindset at all. Serious question: Sara Kruzan was convicted of murder because she killed the man who raped and trafficked her, only to have sentence commuted and eventually almost twenty years later. Do you agree with that, or do you still not understand that mindset? ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/453 "2022-07-06T00:18:36Z")
I think that is defensive violence, not abusive. Just saying. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/454 "2022-07-06T01:00:08Z")
Not really. She intentionally met up with her abuser to kill him. To bring it back to the topic at hand - there’s no evidence Depp’s abuse wasn’t a response to Heard’s. Does that make it perfectly ok? Nope. But Heard’s abuse was documented and supported. The worst we’ve heard about Depp was some slamming doors and nasty text messages that weren’t even directed to Heard. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/455 "2022-07-06T20:37:07Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Mineral spirits? No clue. At first he said jar and then corrected himself to can. It doesn’t sound like it was a plastic bottle. Mineral spirits are a type of industrial solvent, often used as a paint thinner. Usually comes in a metal flask like this: [![](https://cdn.mscdirect.com/global/images/ProductImages/7025048-24.jpg) ](https://cdn.mscdirect.com/global/images/ProductImages/7025048-24.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/456 "2022-07-08T14:24:59Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Only the United States among “western” countries makes widespread use of juries in civil trials. The US legal system is considered a joke by most people in Europe, Australia and Canada. It is? That’s a surprise to me, a Canadian, and we have a tremendous superiority complex. The USA has its problems but calling the legal system a joke because civil trials sometimes have juries is not a thing I have ever heard expressed. The fact US civil trials sometimes have juries is obviously not rooted in anti-intellectualism. It’s rooted in the USA’s original loathing of an established nobility, and of course still exists to this day because it’s a Constitutional right. ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2022, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/457 "2022-07-08T17:58:52Z")
The average judge may be more unbiased and better able to weigh the facts of a case more logically and legally than the average (vetted) juror, but I believe the reverse is the case with 12 jurors v. 1 judge. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2022, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/458 "2022-07-08T21:13:20Z")
Especially [true](https://editor.guardian.ng/life/italys-top-court-rules-noisy-toilet-as-human-rights-violation/) [in Italy](https://www.thelocal.it/20160418/ten-of-the-most-bizarre-italian-top-court-rulings). ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2022, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/459 "2022-12-19T16:07:23Z")
> **[Amber Heard to Pay $1 Million to Johnny Depp in Settlement of Legal Battle](https://variety.com/2022/film/news/amber-heard-johnny-depp-settle-defamation-claims-1235465134/)** > > Amber Heard will pay Johnny Depp $1 million to settle their long-running legal battle, in which each accused the other of domestic violence. The sum is a significant reduction from the $8.35 millio… ---
**Author:** ![cult](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@cult](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cult)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545/460 "2022-12-31T04:24:54Z")
Just gonna leave this here. This whole case is a shit show and both sides clearly used bots to drive the media narrative (one was obviously more successful). [https://old.reddit.com/r/Deuxmoi/comments/v1bljh/list\_of\_ahjd\_abuse\_myths\_debunked\_part\_2/](https://old.reddit.com/r/Deuxmoi/comments/v1bljh/list_of_ahjd_abuse_myths_debunked_part_2/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-all-the-hate-against-amber-heard/963545.md?page=22)