# Why Anti-Zionism Is NOT Anti-Semitism **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 2, 2010, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374 "2010-02-02T14:00:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/181 "2010-02-03T23:45:21Z")
> [@Mister\_Obvious](#): > > OK, time to get back to work. [Freud] Again, mit ze comments about ze verk. Vhy is it zo important to you zat ze internet peoples know zat you haff a job? Is it to demonzdrate zat you are not in ze azylum, ja? [/Freud voice] ---
**Author:** ![itsmeshh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/6a8cbe/32.png) [@itsmeshh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/itsmeshh)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/182 "2010-02-04T00:19:40Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > I mean, I could assert that evil monkeys fly out of my ass and that this is the actual cause of Global Warming, but without some kind of corroborating evidence from a respected source (i.e. non-nutbar), no one is going to take my unsupported word very seriously. -XT Scatological references to intestinal gas? How mature. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/183 "2010-02-04T00:21:29Z")
> [@itsmeshh](#): > > Scatological references to intestinal gas? How mature. I think these are immature zoological references to mythical intestinal simians. You really have to start paying better attention. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/184 "2010-02-04T00:24:23Z")
The _What Really Happened website_ has just as much credibility as whale.to. :rolleyes: So much for the critical thinking skills of those at the top of God’s Hierarchy. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/185 "2010-02-04T00:26:47Z")
> [@itsmeshh](#): > > Scatological references to intestinal gas? How mature. Please explain to me why you believe: Men are innately superior to women. Christians are innately superior to non-Christians. Whites are innately superior to blacks. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/186 "2010-02-04T00:43:10Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Huh. So he’s a truther, too. What are the odds ? It’s the principle of [crank magnetism](http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Crank_magnetism) in action. David Icke promotes a “clinic” that’s into stuff like “Cancer is a fungus and it is curable” , cellphones causing brain cancer, “MONATOMIC GOLD” which can “overcome gravity, bend space-time and raise human consciousness and frequency” and all sorts of other crapola which almost make the giant human lizard thing seem rational. It’s a bit strange that **Mister Obvious** describes a job at a company making electrical devices. Most people of his bent avoid electricity, x-rays and such like the plague (they’re part of The Man’s system of mind control). I seem to remember catching the “five dancing Israelis” on Ed Sullivan back in the day. Didn’t they juggle too? ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/187 "2010-02-04T00:57:43Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > It’s a bit strange that **Mister Obvious** describes a job at a company making electrical devices. Most people of his bent avoid electricity, x-rays and such like the plague (they’re part of The Man’s system of mind control). The tinfoil protects them. CHRISTIAN tinfoil. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/188 "2010-02-04T01:57:19Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Please explain to me why you believe: > > Men are innately superior to women. They have an extra antenna to hear God with. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/189 "2010-02-04T02:04:26Z")
> [@Mister\_Obvious](#): > > How about those slave merchants? Here’s a bit of inconvenient History and even the book from which it is derived. > > The following passages are from Dr. Raphael’s book Jews and Judaism in the United States a Documentary History (New York: Behrman House, Inc., Pub, 1983), pp. 14, 23-25. Those quotes don’t support what you’re arguing. The quotes say, first of all, that there was a Jewish presence in Surinam, some of whom were prosperous enough to own plantations and slaves, second, that Jews were important in the Dutch trans-island slave trade, third, that there was a general Jewish merchant presence in the English and Dutch Caribbean islands, and fourth, that there were Jews that participated in the trans-Atlantic slave trade. None of these, even assuming they’re all true, show that Jews played a central role in the trans-Atlantic slave trade or that they were disproportionately represented. I’ll also point out, just as a side note, that the book is an anthology, and Dr. Raphael is the editor, not the author. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/190 "2010-02-04T02:31:50Z")
> [@Mister\_Obvious](#): > > I predict that this thread will be “Closed” within 24 hours, I might even be Banned for alleged “Terms of Use” violations from alleged “Anti-Semitic” statements, and there might even be a “Witch Hunt” on here to try to find and retalliate against my girlfriend (who is also a member of Dope, but I refuse to reveal her name). I’ll be **thoroughly** surprised if the Admins of this board can handle the Truth better than I expect. Of course, I do expect to see a few ad-hominem attacks or attempts at ridicule. There’s always **one** of those “bad apples” in every bunch. Well, it has been 36 hours and the only thing that has prompted me to consider banning you has been an extraordinarily poor grasp of the concept of when to use quotation marks. OTOH, you wandered into a forum intrended for debate and made a bunch of risible claims that you now refuse to support with anything resembling legitimate sources. (In fact, you have pretty much refused to provide evidence for ANY of your odd claims.) You have also made several statements that indicate that you only popped in to get folks riled up, which is a pretty standard definition of trolling. As long as you are willing to hang around while most posters point and laugh at the blatant racism, ignorance, and illogic you promote, we may let this thread run a bit longer as an amusing display of silliness. However, regardless whether you want us to believe that you believe the nonsense you are spewing, we know that there is nothing to it but random hatred rationalized by imaginary histories and invented associations. [/Modding] ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/191 "2010-02-04T02:32:03Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > They have an extra antenna to hear God with. Are men with larger “antennas” able to hear God better? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/192 "2010-02-04T02:38:00Z")
Seems we’re back to things getting debunked, them coming up again on the set of Racist Flash Cards (or maybe Racist “flash” cards) and so they get trotted out, again. I guess I’ll pull out those links that I provided upthread. [ > [@](#): > > It is in this context that Eli Faber wrote his scholarly book on the participation of Jews in the slave trade and slavery. He has provided the basic numbers that can be established on the relation between Jews and African slaves in the English and Dutch colonial worlds. His major finding is that Jews had a minuscule role in the slave trade and played only a minor role as slave owners wherever they resided in the New World. Of course, knowledgeable historians could have predicted the results of the book, given the circumscribed role of the Jews within European and American societies from the 15th through the 18th century. As Faber shows, the Jews were not a major factor in any international trade in the Anglo-Saxon world, except possibly the diamond trade. They were also not significant as planters or slave owning farmers, except possibly in Surinam. To the extent that they owned slaves they tended to own fewer slaves on average than their non-Jewish peers. A dozen or so participated in some aspect of the Atl antic slave trade to 1800, with only about half a dozen being serious traders, and even this group moved a very tiny fraction of the total Africans brought to America. The largest group of Jewish slave traders in the British Empire, and the only ones who systematically engaged in the African trade over a long period were the three or four Rhode Island Jewish merchants who in total controlled less than 10% of the voyages and less than 10% of the slaves delivered by Rhode Island traders in the 18th century. In turn Rhode Island was one of the minor ports within the English world engaged in the slave trade. Practically no Jews within England engaged in the far larger trades coming from Liverpool, Bristol and London. > > That it was necessary for a scholar to provide this much detail on this issue, tells us more about our own society than it does about the Jews and Africans in this period. ]([News Articles - FindArticles](http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2005/is_3_33/ai_61372270/)) [Faber’s book](http://books.google.com/books?id=ceC5T4_5e-wC&pg=PA136&lpg=PA136&dq=jews+slave+trade&source=bl&ots=OKwFf19ibn&sig=RcLlwrZCZ7rHMdvDYS0fGgEGzYE&hl=en&ei=gR9YSvaZIsGktgejl7ndCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9) And Friedman’s [Jews and the American slave trade.](http://books.google.com/books?id=I0ExEzLaX6YC&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=jews+slave+trade&source=bl&ots=Fb4Hm3-_IY&sig=nYwjBF3de9xoc9kNQpTxURD4vsI&hl=en&ei=GSFYSvzVMMOktge31eHdCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7) In before "You can’t trust those, da Jooooooz wrote them!!! (ironic color choice for the font, no?) Unsurprisingly we also get Trooferism (da Jooooz did it!) and the USS Liberty (da Joooooz knew they could control the US and force them to ignore a direct attack, but weren’t powerful enough to say ‘please don’t spy on us’, also they were ruthless enough to attack an American ship on purpose knowing its nationality but too incompetent to remember to bring anti-ship weaponry and instead had all their aircraft using anti-infantry weaponry). And while I’m at it, does anybody else find it funny that out of all nations on the planet, only Israel has a specific, unique word to describe people who think it should exist? Further, a word that pretty much stopped having much meaning at all once, ya know, Israel did exist but still seems to get used all the time for somewhat… interesting… purposes? It’s not “Israeli” this or “Israeli” that, but “Zionist” this and “Zionist” that. Gee, I do wonder, when our friend here talks about various “Zionist” things instead of “Israeli”, what’s the semantic value? ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/193 "2010-02-04T03:35:36Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > And while I’m at it, does anybody else find it funny that out of all nations on the planet, only Israel has a specific, unique word to describe people who think it should exist? Further, a word that pretty much stopped having much meaning at all once, ya know, Israel did exist but still seems to get used all the time for somewhat… interesting… purposes? It’s not “Israeli” this or “Israeli” that, but “Zionist” this and “Zionist” that. It’s definitely interesting. I’ve thought about it many times. For the past four thousand years, the whole of humanity has been drawing up borders and carving up the whole world into nations over and over again (with all the war and bloodshed that will accompany this activity) but Da Jooz were just late to the party, and now that Da Jooz have the audacity to want a nation for _themselves_ after all this time, all of a sudden everyone else is all high and mighty. Because Da Jooz have gotten uppity and don’t know their place. The “place” for the Jews, of course, is to be a glorified servant-class to whatever government is in charge, even at the highest professional levels - they build the weapons and design the bombs and the planes and invent the medicine for the ruling class to use, but they’re not soldiers, they’re not fighters, they don’t stand up for themselves as a people and fight as a people. That’s not their “place.” The idea of a Jewish nation fighting for its existence blows peoples’ whole conception of the world apart. Of course people will say “I just oppose the OCCUPATION.” But somehow, I think if “the occupation” were to end tomorrow, they would still find something about Israel to oppose. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/194 "2010-02-04T04:00:03Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > And while I’m at it, does anybody else find it funny that out of all nations on the planet, only Israel has a specific, unique word to describe people who think it should exist? Further, a word that pretty much stopped having much meaning at all once, ya know, Israel did exist but still seems to get used all the time for somewhat… interesting… purposes? It’s not “Israeli” this or “Israeli” that, but “Zionist” this and “Zionist” that. Since the word was coined by an Austrian Jewish nationalist\*, Nathan Birnbaum, I don’t think you can really complain too much about that. Anyway, out of all nations on the planet, there are none with history similar to Israel’s. \*That is, an Austrian Jew who supported the Jewish nationalist movement/Zionism, not an Austrian of Jewish descent who was into Austrian nationalism. [QUOTE=Mr. Obvious] Even if I cited old books containing supporting evidence (and they do exist), someone would nitpick at their being outdated because they weren’t printed by some corporate publishing firm complete with ISBN number. I’ve already cited Kenneth Goff’s The Soviet Art of Brainwashing and Charlotte Iserbyt, author of The Deliberate Dumbing-Down of America. The Bell Curve, by Richard J. Herrnstein Charles Murray is another good recent source. I explained on the now-closed old thread that the chronology of events described in Chapters 1-3 of Genesis in the Old Testament clearly refer to three separate and distinct Human races. Getting back to the topic of Zionism, the events of June 8, 1967 [http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...ssliberty.html](http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...ssliberty.html) and the botched terrorist plot of July 2-14, 1954 known as The Lavon Affair [Lavon Affair - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair) have shown that, with Israel as an ally, who needs enemies. Then there was 9/11/01, the five dancing Israelis, Urban Moving Systems, Lucky Larry Silverstein and his new lease on the condemned, heavily insured against terrorists specifically, and in need of serious renovation, obsolete Asbestos hazard known as the WTC. [http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART](http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART)…-11\_index.html [/QUOTE] I don’t really care what you think of the Jews. Even if I did, white Christians have traded millions of slaves, so citing slavery as evidence of Jewish malfeasance is a bit weak. I want a cite for your conclusory and unsupported assertion that God has a hierarchy and white Christian males are at the top, human-wise. Oh, and just for the record, you know that [whatreallyhappened.com](http://whatreallyhappened.com) guy is an atheist, right? ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/195 "2010-02-04T04:14:30Z")
I just wish someone could tell me why - if Da Jooz, or Da Freemazonz or Da !llum!nat! or any of the other groups who are supposedly in a big conspiracy to control the world - are actually in charge - they don’t just do whatever they want? If they’re really dominating all of us, why do we have stars and stripes on our flag and not the Star of David? If Israel is controlling America like a puppet, why doesn’t Israel just order America to fight in Lebanon and Gaza so Da Jooz can kick it and roll a fat blunt while the Christians are sacrificed to fight for them? Why doesn’t the Joo in Chief just call up Obama on the phone and say, “Hey, could you send your army to come over here and kill all the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza so we can just annex it and move more Jooz in?” If they’re really so powerful, why the fuck is the _capital of their country_ full of Arab Muslims? Why is there a gigantic mosque there? If Da Jooz are so powerful and influential, why is it that the _Arabs_ are the ones who control all the oil? Or is the conspiracy so deep that Da Jooz are actually working _with_ the Arabs somehow? (The same way some people have alleged that the Nazis were actually…wait for it…controlled by _DA JOOOOOZ!_) If Israel controls America, why does America only give them three billion dollars in aid? Why doesn’t America give them _100 billion_ in aid? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/196 "2010-02-04T04:17:52Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Since the word was coined by an Austrian Jewish nationalist\*, Nathan Birnbaum, I don’t think you can really complain too much about that. Sure I can. First off, there’s no real reason to use it other than “Israeli”, especially given the amount of time it’s used as code. There’s also the fact that the mission of Zionism was accomplished more than six decades ago. And the fact that it’s often used to refer to anybody who isn’t sufficiently anti-Israel, which simply makes no sense. Why use a word which meant those who supported the foundation of the state of Israel to describe those who support some of its actions once it was already created? Unless, of course, it’s a _current_ existential debate, which is much, much darker. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Anyway, out of all nations on the planet, there are none with history similar to Israel’s. There are numerous nations that have numerous similarities to Israel’s history. I’d ask what exactly you’re arguing the unbridgeable distinctions are though, as I’m curious to see what you’re arguing. For instance, India/Pakistan were formed from the division of ethnoreligious groups after a population shift when the colonial power fell and the populations divided themselves. In the aftermath of WW II there were deliberate population shifts to reorganize ethnic populations and prevent the justification for future pan-ethnic wars. European history itself is replete with the stories of various tribes conquering and/or immigrating to other locations and carving out kingdoms (which is why we refer to Anglo-Saxons, and such). Many of the boundaries in the Middle East itself were formed by population shifts and military conflict and/or were carved out of the wreckage of the fallen Ottoman Empire. > [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > If they’re really so powerful, why the fuck is the _capital of their country_ full of Arab Muslims? To say nothing of the fact that they can’t even get their closest ally in the entire world to actually put their embassy in their capital city. It’s funny, those who believe in the AIPAC Controls the US!!! conspiracy theory have actually argued that it’s AIPAC’s failure to get more than lip service recognizing Israel’s capital as proof of their iron and unshakable control of America. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/197 "2010-02-04T04:18:46Z")
Subtle are the ways of the Jooz. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/198 "2010-02-04T04:35:12Z")
Forget the farking world. All I want to do is control the cats. The more I interact with them the more I think they secretly rule the world. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/199 "2010-02-04T04:43:16Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Sure I can. First off, there’s no real reason to use it other than “Israeli”, especially given the amount of time it’s used as code. There’s also the fact that the mission of Zionism was accomplished more than six decades ago. And the fact that it’s often used to refer to anybody who isn’t sufficiently anti-Israel, which simply makes no sense. Why use a word which meant those who supported the foundation of the state of Israel to describe those who support some of its actions once it was already created? Because the _argument_ over whether it was a legitimate mission didn’t cease once the mission was completed. Arab Muslims still opposed the existence of the State of Israel, as did sundry odd factions in the West. Also, as it turns out, you’re not entirely right. Rastafari also denotes a similar sort of ideology- specifically, that Ethiopia and/or all of Africa is a holy land to which all the descendants of black slaves will someday return. The only difference is that Israel already had a religion, and the Rastafari didn’t, so they had to make up a faith to go with the movement. > [@](#): > > There are numerous nations that have numerous similarities to Israel’s history. I’d ask what exactly you’re arguing the unbridgeable distinctions are though, as I’m curious to see what you’re arguing. > > For instance, India/Pakistan were formed from the division of ethnoreligious groups after a population shift when the colonial power fell and the populations divided themselves. In the aftermath of WW II there were deliberate population shifts to reorganize ethnic populations and prevent the justification for future pan-ethnic wars. European history itself is replete with the stories of various tribes conquering and/or immigrating to other locations and carving out kingdoms (which is why we refer to Anglo-Saxons, and such). Many of the boundaries in the Middle East itself were formed by population shifts and military conflict and/or were carved out of the wreckage of the fallen Ottoman Empire. Even in the case of India and Pakistan, we’re basically talking about boundaries being drawn around largely existing populations. The partition of India resulted in the largest _single_ migration in history, but it wasn’t as though the migration continued for the next fifty years. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/200 "2010-02-04T04:43:47Z")
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