# Why Anti-Zionism Is NOT Anti-Semitism **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 2, 2010, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374 "2010-02-02T14:00:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/221 "2010-02-04T14:20:54Z")
> [@Mister\_Obvious](#): > > -Major purchase decisions that my parents made over the years worked that way. Mom or Dad would suggest something, and the two of them would subsequently negotiate the details. That’s what _you_ think. Obviously, Kenites had the final say. Look how things turned out for you. > [@](#): > > Between composing a morning and evening post punctuated by skimming the thread for 10 seconds of an occasional break, some 90 daily minutes out of a few days, a few brief visits, is all I consider this board worth. Some of you seem to **live** here. I love the business of alluding to one’s valuable time and how others are wasting it on the board, while simultaneously spending 90 minutes a day writing lengthy, largely irrelevant screeds devoid of paragraphs. > [@](#): > > As for listing which of the Protocols are currently _faits accompli_, it would require more than the 90 minutes or so I spend here on any given day to compose a suitably-bibliographied itemized list. On the contrary, it should be easy to cut and paste some glop straight off Stormfront or similar site. Or, why bother with “references”… > [@](#): > > My girlfriend is of the opinion See, that’s what we call a “quality” cite. > [@](#): > > Does it make more sense now? In the same dimension wherein David Icke’s Giant Lizards dwell, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/222 "2010-02-04T14:21:26Z")
> [@Noone\_Special](#): > > Now, this is just silly. While Biden may be in the role of the wife here, Barak HUSSEIN Obama is still black (and not Christian, anyway!) so obviously Biden still outranks him in the Hierarchy :rolleyes: > 😃 But Barak HUSSEIN Obama is half white. Does he get brownie points for that fact? How white do you have to be to considered white in the hierarchy here? For that matter how male to you have to be to be considered male? Do hermaphrodites count? Do they get to be boss of half of their bodies? Does the pancreas get subdued into the Vice Presidentcy while the spleen takes a more leading role? What about XXY males? Are females with Turner’s Syndrome (one X chromosone) ranked below women with two X chromosones? Enquiring minds want to know. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/223 "2010-02-04T14:21:55Z")
> [@Mister\_Obvious](#): > > Note that Adam had not yet been created at the end of the Sixth Day when God pronounced what had been created thus far to be good. As Chapter 2 opens, God declared that the Seventh Day would be the Day of Rest. On the Eighth Day, God re-evaluates what He has done so far, clearly stating that all was still good and yet clearly having decided that some additions would be needed to fully complete the Creation. Among Eighth Day additions to His work are the Rain Cycle to improve water distribution further and Adam to fill a kind of District Manager role. A higher consciousness was given to Adam (Human 2.0 as a handy analogy) which was not mentioned when Human 1.x was created in Genesis 1:26-27. It is also to be noted that male and female Human 1.X were created together as part of the same task in Genesis 1:26-27. Eve was created as a partner for Adam as described in Genesis 2:21-23, as a completion of him. While Genesis Chapter 1 does not directly deal with the question of gender roles for Human 1.X, it is subsequently established in various places throughout Scripture that gender roles among non-Israelites (and, yes, even Kenites, although not directly specified as such) would ideally follow the same nearly-equal partnership model as applies to gender roles among Israelites. > > Superiority, no. Somewhat unequal measure of authority, definitely. This does not mean that willfully and knowingly abusing that greater measure of authority is ever justifiable. I do not bark orders at my employees at the end of a bullwhip. I manage and delegate tasks to them, expecting completion of those tasks as assigned and inviting questions and suggestions. Appropriate suggestions, I often accept or suggest amendments to them followed by acceptance of the suggestion as amended. > > Recently, I had occasion to coach a young Apprentice employed part-time as a subcontractor on the importance of following directions. He was directed to install a replacement part which I had in stock. Instead, he devoted time equivalent to the cost of the replacement part to unsuccessfully attempting repair of the faulty part. We had a private meeting later that day. I deducted the unproductive time from his timesheet with a notation as to the reason and indicated that future salvage attempts were to be made on his own time and that those on which he succeeded might be marketable to me as used parts for such future applications in which a reconditioned part was suitable. Was this a suitable illustration of my point? It was a total failure to address the request in the quote. Since you seem to have forgotten what that was, I’ll requote it: > [@](#): > > Please explain to me why you believe: > > Whites are innately superior to blacks. ---
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/224 "2010-02-04T14:25:02Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > But Barak HUSSEIN Obama is half white. Does he get **brownie points** for that fact? 😃 I see what you did there… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/225 "2010-02-04T14:26:58Z")
> [@Mister\_Obvious](#): > > Now, let’s take on a single example (as a starting point) of a mis-translated part of counterfeit Judeo-Christianity and analyze the alleged _contradictions_ that its mis-translation artificially introduces. Oh gosh, lets! > [@](#): > > Genuine Christianity addresses the \*self-contradiction \*allegations quite well. This genuine Christianity is no doubt written in _Christian_! > [@](#): > > This mis-translation, in fact, appears to be a deliberate **semantic deception** inserted by Scribes (who were Kenites) long ago. A little tip for you: Semantic doesn’t mean Jewish. > [@](#): > > Returning to the earliest languages in which the Bible is known to have existed, Bigger tip for you: Aramaic is a _Semitic_ language. > [@](#): > > Reverend Ted Pike of [http://www.truthtellers.org/](http://www.truthtellers.org/) Well gosh, with the word truth in the address you know it must be on the level! > [@](#): > > When the original Sixth Commandment is translated correctly into English as **“Thou Shalt Not Murder!”** , every single _contradiction of Himself_ blasphemously alleged against Him by misogynists (God-haters) with regard to the Sixth Commandment miraculously evaporates. Misogyny doesn’t mean “God-hating.” You might want to look up the actual meanings of these big words before you use them. Also: _italics_ aren’t nearly as scary as “quotes.” ---
**Author:** ![itsmeshh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/6a8cbe/32.png) [@itsmeshh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/itsmeshh)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/226 "2010-02-04T14:27:00Z")
I have always had the following thought regarding one of Mister Obvious’ exes, but it seems to apply to most of the people posting here as well. That thought being: You MIGHT realize in a day and a half that you have been told off. Then again, I may be over estimating you. Just as it went right over the Pharisees’ heads when Christ rebuked them, none of you seem to realize how severely you have been rebuked by an **exceptionally** knowledge Christian who has learned over the past 30 yrs to fully understand Christian teachings far beyond that which counterfeit Judeo-Christian churches could ever teach. I myself have been a Christian since my late teens and learned a great deal from my brother in law, Mister Obvious, since becoming a member of this family. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/227 "2010-02-04T14:29:49Z")
> [@itsmeshh](#): > > I have always had the following thought regarding one of Mister Obvious’ exes, but it seems to apply to most of the people posting here as well. That thought being: You MIGHT realize in a day and a half that you have been told off. Then again, I may be over estimating you. Just as it went right over the Pharisees’ heads when Christ rebuked them, none of you seem to realize how severely you have been rebuked by an **exceptionally** knowledge Christian who has learned over the past 30 yrs to fully understand Christian teachings far beyond that which counterfeit Judeo-Christian churches could ever teach. I myself have been a Christian since my late teens and learned a great deal from my brother in law, Mister Obvious, since becoming a member of this family. I’ll accept this… “warning” with all the importance it no doubt merits. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/228 "2010-02-04T14:34:25Z")
> [@itsmeshh](#): > > I have always had the following thought regarding one of Mister Obvious’ exes, but it seems to apply to most of the people posting here as well. > … > I myself have been a Christian since my late teens and learned a great deal from my brother in law, Mister Obvious, since becoming a member of this family. No hero worship or sexual tension here folks, move along! ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/229 "2010-02-04T14:36:07Z")
> [@Noone\_Special](#): > > 😃 > I see what you did there… 😉 😃 > [@Dissonance](#): > > A little tip for you: Semantic doesn’t mean Jewish. Well it is sorta related to the word semetic and Jews are semites so uh . . . nevermind. > [@itsmeshh](#): > > I have always had the following thought regarding one of Mister Obvious’ exes, but it seems to apply to most of the people posting here as well. That thought being: You MIGHT realize in a day and a half that you have been told off. Then again, I may be over estimating you. Just as it went right over the Pharisees’ heads when Christ rebuked them, none of you seem to realize how severely you have been rebuked by an **exceptionally** knowledge Christian who has learned over the past 30 yrs to fully understand Christian teachings far beyond that which counterfeit Judeo-Christian churches could ever teach. I myself have been a Christian since my late teens and learned a great deal from my brother in law, Mister Obvious, since becoming a member of this family. I have one NT quote for you: “Jesus wept.” Because even a lowly Kenite like myself can see that **Mr. Obvious** and his white supremicist / misogynistic / anti-Semitic rantings was not what was meant by the guy. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/230 "2010-02-04T14:36:14Z")
**Mister Obvious** , I don’t think you’ve explained how to identify a Kenite, the evidence for their existence, or why anyone should care in the first place. > [@Shodan](#): > > Does this mean that Biden is giving Obama blow-jobs? I’m not going to give you a formal warning for this, but if you make me vomit all over my keyboard, you’re in big trouble. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/231 "2010-02-04T14:40:03Z")
I’m a-tremble with the scaredness. Seems we’ve been buked, rebuked, and found “wanting.” Wanting cites, wanting arguments, wanting responses, wanting logic, wanting something entertaining to come on TV so we can not have to rely on these two for entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/232 "2010-02-04T14:45:07Z")
Yeah, seriously. Why can’t I just get into _Lost_ like everyone else? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/233 "2010-02-04T14:49:14Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I’m not going to give you a formal warning for this, but if you make me vomit all over my keyboard, you’re in big trouble. Once you’ve tried Barack, you’ll never go back. [Cite.](http://www.maggiore.net/greenacres/) Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/234 "2010-02-04T15:29:18Z")
> [@Mister\_Obvious](#): > > Recently, I had occasion to coach a young Apprentice Truly, training a Sith is a labor of love. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/235 "2010-02-04T15:31:15Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Once you’ve tried Barack, you’ll never go back. [Cite.](http://www.maggiore.net/greenacres/) You lost me there. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Obvious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@Mister\_Obvious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Obvious)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/236 "2010-02-04T15:39:33Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **Mister Obvious** , I don’t think you’ve explained how to identify a Kenite, the evidence for their existence, or why anyone should care in the first place. In Genesis 3:15, God is speaking to the serpent (Satan) and says “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” Kenites are the “thy seed” of which He spoke (Cain), and “her seed” was Abel. In Genesis 3:13, it is euphemistically stated that Eve was seduced by Satan. “And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.” The word beguiled is a synonym for seduced. Seduction is a sexual act. The true meaning is not difficult to detect, and God has been known to use euphemisms elsewhere. Even the “Toxic Twins”, Steven Tyler and Joe Perry of Aerosmith, understood that. Listen to the song “Adam’s Apple” from their 1975 Toys in the Attic LP and the sexual connotation becomes crystal clear. It’s even on YouTube right here [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUz-7oWaOV4](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUz-7oWaOV4) God didn’t want to come right out and say that Satan molested Eve, teaching her of carnal relations before God had determined she was ready to be exposed to such knowledge. At some time, however, it is clear that He intended for Adam and Eve to be taught how to reproduce. Satan let the knowledge slip to her prematurely. All women have two ovaries and can bear twins from eggs fertilized by two different fathers, this is a biological fact. Cain and Abel came of age at the same time, therefore they were twin half-brothers. Cain was Satan’s son, Abel was Adam’s. I thought I had explained all of this previously. Perhaps some of the readers missed it on the old thread? > [@Marley23](#): > > I’m not going to give you a formal warning for this, but if you make me vomit all over my keyboard, you’re in big trouble. The post you referred to definitely needs _ **Gross-Out Alert** _ on it! > [@Dissonance](#): > > No hero worship or sexual tension here folks, move along! No, we **do not** violate the Tenth Commandment as you seem to baselessly insinuate. Note to Marley23: It is **grossly appropriate** for Dissonance, and others who have done so, to make baseless allegations of any violation of the Tenth Commandment with regard either to myself or to my sister-in-law. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/237 "2010-02-04T15:41:29Z")
> [@Mister\_Obvious](#): > > Note to Marley23: It is **grossly appropriate** for Dissonance, and others who have done so, to make baseless allegations of any violation of the Tenth Commandment with regard either to myself or to my sister-in-law. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/238 "2010-02-04T15:47:46Z")
Aerosmith, Satan and the Beverly Hillbillies. The list keeps growing! > [@Mister\_Obvious](#): > > Kenites are the “thy seed” of which He spoke (Cain), and “her seed” was Abel. What use is this to someone who knows the Bible is a collection of ancient mythology? Even on strictly Biblical terms your interpretation is questionable, although I know the “Eve fucked the snake” school has some adherents. > [@](#): > > Note to Marley23: It is **grossly appropriate** for Dissonance, and others who have done so, to make baseless allegations of any violation of the Tenth Commandment with regard either to myself or to my sister-in-law. There’s no rule against it here. I moderate according to the rules of this forum, not the Old Testament. Personally I prefer George Carlin’s version of the Ten Commandments. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/239 "2010-02-04T15:51:04Z")
> [@Mister\_Obvious](#): > > In Genesis 3:15, God is speaking to the serpent (Satan) and says “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” Kenites are the “thy seed” of which He spoke (Cain), and “her seed” was Abel. In Genesis 3:13, it is euphemistically stated that Eve was seduced by Satan. This would all make perfect sense if Jews were four inches tall, but in my experience they aren’t and none of them have ever bruised my heel. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/240 "2010-02-04T15:52:31Z")
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