# Why Anti-Zionism Is NOT Anti-Semitism **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 2, 2010, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374 "2010-02-02T14:00:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/281 "2010-02-04T20:07:35Z")
Uh-oh. So I’m a Kenite forever? Even if I promise to be a perfect White Christian Zombie? Is there no hope for such as we? Is there truly no balm in Gilead? Wail. Weep. Rend. Gnash. Who’s got a beer? Might as well enjoy the ride. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/282 "2010-02-04T20:09:00Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > **10 ways to know if you are a Kenite:** > > 3: Animals shy or snarl at your presence. Um. Does the occasional hiss or very loud meow count? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/283 "2010-02-04T20:14:01Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Um. Does the occasional hiss or very loud meow count? Maybe you’re only half Kenite. ---
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/284 "2010-02-04T20:28:19Z")
If people shy away or snarl at my presence, **and** I’ve eaten an animal’s liver with a nice Chianti, what does it mean…? Or are the fava beans **really, really** important…? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/285 "2010-02-04T20:45:13Z")
Personally, I have to admit that I am fine with the belief that a good position for a Christian woman to be in is on top of a Jewish man. Maybe God’s Hierarchy isn’t all bad… ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/286 "2010-02-04T22:28:26Z")
> [@itsmeshh](#): > > none of you seem to realize how severely you have been rebuked by an **exceptionally** knowledge Christian who has learned over the past 30 yrs to fully understand Christian teachings far beyond that which counterfeit Judeo-Christian churches could ever teach. I myself have been a Christian since my late teens and learned a great deal from my brother in law, Mister Obvious, since becoming a member of this family. I dunno what you learned, but Mister Obvious is certainly _not_ an expert on the bible - all that he’s an expert in is the inside of his own imagination. He claims that the bible makes numerous references to Kenites, citing verses _that make no reference to Kenites at all_. There is no indication anywhere in the bible for any of his claims about Kenites, and in fact a plain read of the serpent business that he quotes is clearly talking about an actual snake and not a four-inch tall evil jew. You may, or may not, have heard the term “cherry picking”, which refers to when a theist picks out the bits of the bible that support their pet theory and then pretends that the possibly large portions of the book that disagree don’t exist. That allows them to get around the fact that the book is not as clear in its support of their theory as they wish it were What **Mister Obvious** is doing goes a step above that, picking out fragments of text and then _making stuff up_ about what they say. This allows him to get around the fact the Bible doesn’t agree with him _at all_. A person could read the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and if they read it the way **Mister Obvious** “interprets” the bible they could conclude that it’s a science fiction story about how a Dalek named Bob is having extramarital sex with a Vogon named Chippy. If they did so they would be an expert in _something_ - but not the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Just like **Mister Obvious** is an expert in racist delusion-fantasy, but his acquantance with the bible is _adversarial_. Now, if you wanted to learn about the _actual_ bible, we have some _actual_ knowledgeable people on the subject hanging around this message board. Many of them are jews, though - reading it in its original language, even. Wether they’re good jews or secret stealth vampire opposum jews, though, is anybody’s guess. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/287 "2010-02-04T22:53:53Z")
> [@Noone\_Special](#): > > Or are the fava beans **really, really** important…? ☹ Don’t be a fool. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/288 "2010-02-04T23:26:29Z")
I have a few questions- If G-d, doesn’t want Jews to have a nation in the Holy Land, how is it we have one? If the false Jews are a few trillionaires, and the true Jews have all become Christians, what are the rest of the millions of people calling themselves Jews? If the false Jews have so much power, why not just rule openly? Do you want to touch my monkey? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Crap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.crap/32/3131_2.png) [@Dr.Crap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Crap)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/289 "2010-02-04T23:42:49Z")
> [@Mister\_Obvious](#): > > Had you not blatantly ignored the context of what I had said, it would be clear that I was actually saying that my girlfriend’s apparently-hereditary financial ineptitude was indicative of the **absurd nature of the suggestion that she could be some sort of stealth-conspirator**. The point was that **if she and her family were that well-connected with some conspiracy** then one would think that there would be far fewer Bankruptcies and Foreclosures in her family’s finances. **Jewish ancestry** wasn’t the point, **obvious lack of well-connected status** and its obvious contradiction of the suggestion that she could be some well-connected conspirator was. \*\*Covert Operations \*\*work probably pays a lot better than what I know her to earn, having helped her with her taxes for more than 5 years. You’re underestimating the extent that a stealth-Jew will go to to see the success of his or her operation. I believe your “self-hating girlfriend” and her “family” live in less than luxurious conditions, but I also know that a very committed operative will go to great lengths to achieve their mission. Could it be that you’re undervaluing the threat that you and Truth pose to their continued domination? Can you really not fathom the world’s top 0.00005% and their middle managers finding a few zealots to throw a spanner into the works? Of all things, you really think they can’t tamper with financial documents? Wake up; your racist-dating, self-hating, financially-limited girlfriend is merely pretending to be a good person. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/290 "2010-02-04T23:49:35Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > If the false Jews are a few trillionaires, and the true Jews have all become Christians, what are the rest of the millions of people calling themselves Jews? \*\< looks around paranoically \> \< whispers \> “Pod people.” \* ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/291 "2010-02-04T23:57:16Z")
There’s something wonderful about **Mister Obvious** arguing with **Dr. Crap**. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/292 "2010-02-05T00:10:45Z")
This thread is like watching “Naked Lunch.” There’s a thread of plot, but most of it is surreal entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/293 "2010-02-05T00:11:28Z")
We’re just missing Fatty McButterpants, Esquire. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/294 "2010-02-05T00:13:55Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > This thread is like watching “Naked Lunch.” There’s a thread of plot, but most of it is surreal entertainment. That would explain why my keyboard has transformed from it’s large, clunky usual self into a strange green creature that ejaculates psychotropic fluid. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/295 "2010-02-05T01:11:39Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Sorry, no luck for you. It’s like being ploded. Once you’ve been exploded you cannot be unploded, reploded or deploded. No, not even transploded. The plode is forever. I’m gonna explode too ?! This is really not my day…☹ > [@](#): > > Also, you’re French. So while you’re probably higher than Jews, it’s likely that _ **“Opossums”** _ outrank you. I laugh at the thought and fart in your general direction !If opossums are superior to French men, then why don’t they wear berets, huh ? HUH ? Yeah, that’s what I thought. Your 13th “generation” thin blood “Dchooz” clanless perfi"dious" \*\*mind \*\*tricks won’t work on “me”, you vile mocker of “the” Truth, you ! In the \*name \*of Buffy the [del]Vampire[/del]Kenite **Slayer** , I overbuke thee ! ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/296 "2010-02-05T02:48:33Z")
Dr. Crap and others: let’s stay away from attempts to link Mr. Obvious and itsmeshh, (or any one else), romatically or sexually, (or fiscally, gastronomically, etc.). It is enough to note that the “explanations” at which they hint, while never actually providing, are seriously silly stuff without attempting to cross into personal insult. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/297 "2010-02-05T04:08:24Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > **10 ways to know if you are a Kenite:** > > 1: You cast no shadow. > > 2: Your breath doesn’t fog glass. > > 3: Animals shy or snarl at your presence. > > 4: You have ever voted Democrat. > > 5: You need to bath more frequently due to your sulfurous body odor. > > 6: Scenes of Hell in movies and literature produce a feeling of homesickness. > > 7: Plants wither when you touch them. > > 8a: If male, your last girlfriend left you complaining that “you aren’t supposed to have eyes _there_!” > > 8b: If female, your last boyfriend left because “she has teeth down there!” > > 9: Your eyes reflect the light like a cat. > > 10: You’ve ever eaten someone’s liver with fava beans and a nice Chianti. Good thing Dick Cheney never voted Democrat. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/298 "2010-02-05T04:11:08Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Good thing Dick Cheney never voted Democrat. This is no time for partisan cheap shots! Let our hatred for ignorance and our love of wacky conspiracy theories bring Dopers of all political stripes together. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/299 "2010-02-05T04:35:36Z")
Besides, what kind of a secret Jew would take as public a job as the VP’s job? No, your classic secret Jew will just rule the world from the shadows (being, ya know, vampires) and make the poor goyim dance for his pleasure with his untold trillions of filthy, filthy delicious dollars.In before “ah-hah Jewswine! Goyim means cattle!!!” (it means “foreigners”) That’s just the way they roll. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/300 "2010-02-05T04:39:36Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Good thing Dick Cheney never voted Democrat. Betcha can’t prove that he’s never eaten someone’s liver. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374.md?page=16)