# Why Anti-Zionism Is NOT Anti-Semitism **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 2, 2010, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374 "2010-02-02T14:00:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/21 "2010-02-02T16:06:45Z")
> [@itsmeshh](#): > > And I predict that most of the people who have negatively commented to this thread enjoy living in a state of perpetual denial and ignorance. Point of clarification-One predicts the _future_, not the _present_. What you are doing is not _prediction_, it is _blind speculation._ ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/22 "2010-02-02T16:07:07Z")
> [@itsmeshh](#): > > And I predict that most of the people who have negatively commented to this thread enjoy living in a state of perpetual denial and ignorance. I get told the same thing when I say income taxes are legal, the WTC fell because planes rammed into it, and that the US was truly able to put a man on the moon. True believers, regardless of their belief, always spout the same to those who take them to task. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/23 "2010-02-02T16:11:23Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > It’s the secret opossum army. I learned that in the other thread. > > Though opossums may also be vampires, I haven’t decided. It’s groundhog day so we’re temporarily switching rodents. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/24 "2010-02-02T16:11:40Z")
> [@itsmeshh](#): > > And I predict that most of the people who have negatively commented to this thread enjoy living in a state of perpetual denial and ignorance. Or we’re all part of the conspiracy… fnord ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/25 "2010-02-02T16:12:12Z")
I think that once you call the army of another country “terrorists” you win through sheer force of logic and we might as well all concede the argument to you and go on with our lives. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/26 "2010-02-02T16:24:59Z")
He meant tourists, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/27 "2010-02-02T16:25:53Z")
Now, now… the IDF also includes the Israeli air force and navy too. Triple the force of logic! What exactly is the debate here? You made a bunch of unsupported and frankly ridiculous statements and then a bunch of unsupported but probably accurate predictions. Well done. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/28 "2010-02-02T16:28:02Z")
Every time I hear the word “Zionist” I think of a scene in “The West Wing” near the middle of the fourth season. A Qumari ambassador is meeting with Leo regarding the assassination of the defense minister that Bartlet had executed. Leo is giving the ambassador factual information regarding the defense minister’s participation in terrorist training camps, and the Qumari ambassador says, with a tone of contempt, “Zionist propaganda.” I can’t help hearing that tone of voice whenever I hear or read the word. It’s clear in that scene, and to me, clear in the majority of cases it’s used, that the word really means “Jewish scum.” And THAT’S why it seems to me that the VAST majority of people who use the word in such a context are anti-Semitic. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/29 "2010-02-02T16:38:11Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > It’s groundhog day so we’re temporarily switching rodents. I think you may have been infected by the OP and its associate. Whle groundhogs are rodents, opposums, being marsupials, are in the Didelphimorphia order and the Didelphidae family. Please do not let the current insanity corrupt our basic knowledge, here. ETA: By “OP and its associate,” I am referring to the Original Post and to the similar (now closed) thread on the “protocals.” ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/30 "2010-02-02T16:40:08Z")
> [@itsmeshh](#): > > And I predict that most of the people who have negatively commented to this thread enjoy living in a state of perpetual denial and ignorance. God gave us this state, and _by golly we’re going to keep it!_ Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/31 "2010-02-02T16:40:19Z")
I will also note that the OP is so far away from any serious discussion of the topic, that any genuine discussion of the relationships between anti-semitism and opposition to Zionism should probably be kept out of this thread to avoid contamination. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/32 "2010-02-02T16:46:27Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I think you may have been infected by the OP and its associate. > > Whle groundhogs are rodents, opposums, being marsupials, are in the Didelphimorphia order and the Didelphidae family. > > Please do not let the current insanity corrupt our basic knowledge, here. We are talking about vampire oppossums. Everyone knows that they are descended from rodents. Says so in the Bible (properly interpreted). Don’t confuse them with regular oppossums, which are indeed marsupials. Some of my best friends are _regular_ oppossums. I have nothing against them, and they are not tools of Satan. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/33 "2010-02-02T16:48:34Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > It’s groundhog day so we’re temporarily switching rodents. Ye shall pay for disrespecting marsupials. Either way though, remember that you rank below rodents _and_ marsupials in the Heavenly Pantheon. Happy to see **itsmeshh** joining **Mister Obvious** in casting these pearls of wisdom. _They laugh alike, they walk alike, At times they even talk alike – You can lose your mind_ Hopefully they will soon be joined by **gulgamat** , **ishkabible** and **topoegregio** to help stir us out of our dangerous torpor. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/34 "2010-02-02T16:48:50Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Whle groundhogs are rodents, opposums, being marsupials, are in the Didelphimorphia order and the Didelphidae family. Opossums are not true marsupials! They are the rodent children of Satan, spawned upon mortal rodents to imitate the forms of honest marsupials as part of the Devil’s long term plan to install the Ratichrist, in opposition to the Marsupial Messiah. Hey, it makes as much sense as the OP… ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/35 "2010-02-02T16:51:47Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Opossums are not true marsupials! They are the rodent children of Satan, spawned upon mortal rodents to imitate the forms of honest marsupials as part of the Devil’s long term plan to install the Ratichrist, in opposition to the Marsupial Messiah. > > Hey, it makes as much sense as the OP… I’ll have you know that the Ratichrist and Marsupial Messiah are joining my personal pantheon. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/36 "2010-02-02T16:54:33Z")
I just had a Revelation: _Sloth_ is not one of the Seven Deadly Sins-_slothes_ are! ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/37 "2010-02-02T16:55:21Z")
The difference is that the Opossumessiah was only _playing_ dead. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/38 "2010-02-02T16:58:10Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > The difference is that the Opossumessiah was only _playing_ dead. > > Regards, > Shodan _Groans_ I’m literally kicking myself for not having thought of that. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/39 "2010-02-02T17:02:17Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Opossums are not true marsupials! They are the rodent children of Satan, spawned upon mortal rodents to imitate the forms of honest marsupials as part of the Devil’s long term plan to install the Ratichrist, in opposition to the Marsupial Messiah. > > Hey, it makes as much sense as the OP… Those things _are_ from the Devil. I saw one once in my backyard, in the very early-morning light, when I was leaving to go to the hospital have a baby. I was overdue and on my way to being induced because my labor would not start. The thing had 8 half-grown babies hanging off of it, and all eighteen of their eyes were glowing red at me. I almost didn’t need the fucking pitocin…I nearly had that baby right then and there. \ ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/40 "2010-02-02T17:11:15Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > _Groans_ > > I’m literally kicking myself for not having thought of that. 😃 No you’re not. You’re figuratively kicking yourself–unless your foot actually in real life literally hit your ass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374.md?page=3)