# Why Anti-Zionism Is NOT Anti-Semitism **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 2, 2010, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374 "2010-02-02T14:00:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/141 "2010-02-03T14:10:36Z")
So, to recalculate the **Mister Obvious** / **itsmeshh** Hierarchy of the Damned (abridged version), we have: Self-Respecting White Christians Non-White Christians Jews for Jesus Punxatawney Phil Jews Overcoming Propaganda and Denouncing The Elites Possums Serpent Seed Kenites False Israelites Ex-Girlfriends It’s tough to tell the players, even with a scorecard. Meanwhile _something_ is digging new burrows in my lawn and throwing up mounds of dirt. Are the People of Walmart on the march? Time to get out the Christian Identity-Rid. By the way, why would our conspiracy-spinners assume that the False Israelite Elite are not participating in this board? They probably enjoy taking a poke at the drooling inanity of our guests, secure in the knowledge that no one suspects [who’s really running the show](http://stgeorgestech.com/web_tech_projects/alyssa_doherty/assets/sloth3.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/142 "2010-02-03T14:17:29Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Self-Respecting White Christians > Non-White Christians > Jews for Jesus > Punxatawney Phil > Jews Overcoming Propaganda and Denouncing The Elites > Possums > Serpent Seed > Kenites > False Israelites > Ex-Girlfriends But where do the vampires fit? (not the idiotic sparkly kind, I hope) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/143 "2010-02-03T14:46:09Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > It’s a word salad of crazy, tossed together with a delightful vinaigrette of unnecessary scare quotes. Piquant, yet surprisingly lacking in substance. > > I’ll have the pork chops with blood sauce instead. Pork chops are off. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/144 "2010-02-03T14:50:13Z")
> [@Mister\_Obvious](#): > > It’s been a long day, so I’ll be signing off for the evening. My company just filled another major order today and prepared the finished items for shipment. We deal in Industrial Electrical control panels and, to a lesser extent since NAFTA, Electrical installation and Maintenance work for the few small firms still able to remain successful in the Manufacturing business in this state. I also switched to a new Accountant recently and had a meeting with my employees after work to remind them that their W-2’s were mailed from the office of a different Accounting firm this year. Not that there was a problem with my old Accountant. The new firm has better access to other helpful Business services and might be able to help me reach an important personal goal, that of being able to offer my employees a group health care plan that my firm isn’t large enough to be required to offer, but I would like to have the opportunity to provide at a more-reasonable cost than the previous quotations I’ve considered. Being that it’s 2:00 AM here, it’s time to wrap up for the night. You can’t be a bigot because you are A Leader Of Men? Do you know who _else_ was A Leader Of Men, but also a bigot? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/145 "2010-02-03T14:56:53Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You can’t be a bigot because you are A Leader Of Men? > Do you know who _else_ was A Leader Of Men, but also a bigot? Dr. Bronner? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/146 "2010-02-03T15:01:31Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Dr. Bronner? 1,000,000 milorkenite windmill tilting learning immoral ABC’s, undiluted crazy OK! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/147 "2010-02-03T15:11:15Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Dr. Bronner? No-Mel Gibson. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/148 "2010-02-03T15:12:33Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Please define what you mean by “God’s Hierachy.” > Are men ranked higher than women? > Christians higher than Jews? > Are, as my cats would have it, felines ranked highest of all? Well, cats are at least ranked higher than Jews, filthy Satan spawn that they are. From the original thread (no, seriously, I am not making this up!): [ > [@](#): > > God created a very clear Hierarchy here. Of course, Satan, was an Angel who was cast out for attempted Mutiny. Remember? Who WANTS us to forget that God has a Plan and that we each have a place in the Hierarchy based upon whether we know Christ and are Israelites? Satan wants that! So, what’s the hierarchy? It goes like this. This is the Organizational Chart of God’s Creation. I’ll use numbers to denote levels, and letters to denote sub-levels within a numbered level, like an Outline. The question of gender roles is also addressed by God’s Hierarchy. A Christian Israelite Woman is subordinate a Christian Israelite Man, although very nearly Equal. She is also less-subordinate (and thus even more-nearly Equal to) her Husband. Non-Israelite Christian Men, however, are actually subordinates to Christian Israelite Women. Non-Israelite non-Christian Men are subordinate to any Christian Woman, but are even more subordinate to Christian Israelite Women than to Christian non-Israelite Women. > > 1 – God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) > > 2 – Angels > > 3 – Israelite (White) Christians > > a – White Christian Man > > b – White Christian Woman > > 4 – Non-Israelite (non-White) Christian > > a – Non-Israelite (non-White) Christian Man > > b – Non-Israelite (non-White) Christian Woman > > 5 – Israelite (White) non-Christian > > a – Israelite (White) non-Christian Man > > b – Israelite (White) non-Christian Woman > > 6 – Non-Israelite (non-White) non-Christian > > a – Non-Israelite (non-White) non-Christian Man > > b – Non-Israelite (non-White) non-Christian Woman > > 7 – Animals and other Earthly life forms over which even non-Israelites were given some measure of Dominion by God. > > 8 – Kenite Male and Female > > 9 – Satan ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12063474&postcount=48](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12063474&postcount=48)) Again, this is not satire, I am not making this up. For serious. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/149 "2010-02-03T15:21:10Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Well, cats are at least ranked higher than Jews, filthy Satan spawn that they are. > > From the original thread (no, seriously, I am not making this up!): > > [url=[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12063474&postcount=48](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12063474&postcount=48)] > > Again, this is not satire, I am not making this up. > For serious. Woo hoo! I’m an “8”!! ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/150 "2010-02-03T15:25:02Z")
> [@](#): > > Therefore man was created singly, . . .for the sake of peace among men, that one should not say to his fellow, “My father is greater than yours;”. . . Tractate Sanhedrin 4:5 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/151 "2010-02-03T15:26:43Z")
Which one ranks higher-Kenite males or Kenite females? This is very important, because My Beloved has to be put in her place if I rank above her. Please send the answer via PM if the answer won’t be in my favor, though-I think she’s reading this thread. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/152 "2010-02-03T15:31:57Z")
The ranking of Cainites depends on their generation. The best way is to test what disciplines she can use and/or what her blood pool is. If, for instance, you can soak six points of aggravated damage a round but she can only soak five, you can be (relatively) certain that you are closer in generation to Caine than she is. If, however, you can soak four points of aggravated damage a round but she can soak eight? Then run away real fast because she’s probably about to drain your blood since Cainites of such a low generation often find that they can only exist on Cainite blood as the kine are simply too weak for their dietary needs. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/153 "2010-02-03T17:12:45Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > The ranking of Cainites depends on their generation. And probably edition as well. 4.0 ranking is different than 3.5 ranking. Animals went from #5 to #7 under the new rules. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/154 "2010-02-03T17:40:49Z")
So far **Mister Obvious** (heh) and **itsmeshh** are playing the “WAKE UP PEOPLE!” card but have not explained their reasoning even the tiniest bit. Seems more like they want us to take their word for it rather than figuring out “teh truth” for ourselves. Speaking as a moderator, **Mister Obvious** , you need to stop trying to work the refs here. Your girlfriend is not going to be held responsible for anything you say, so enough with this garbage about someone else persecuting her. On this topic or any other, you’re answerable for what you say and she’s answerable for what she says. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/155 "2010-02-03T17:45:18Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > And probably edition as well. 4.0 ranking is different than 3.5 ranking. Animals went from #5 to #7 under the new rules. Wait… are we talking White Wolf here, or are we talking GURPS? Or is the name Steve Jackson too unholy to be spoken even here? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/156 "2010-02-03T17:50:42Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Or is the name Steve Jackson too unholy to be spoken even here? That depends. Is he a Jew? Or even worse, a non-Jew Jew? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/157 "2010-02-03T17:52:05Z")
Well, he’s rich, powerful and influential (after a fashion). Obviously he’s a double-secret no-reverse-backsies fake Israelite quasi-Jew with a twist of lemon. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/158 "2010-02-03T18:14:48Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > That depends. Is he a Jew? Or even worse, a non-Jew Jew? [Much worse than that.](http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/books/Illuminati/img/cover_lg.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/159 "2010-02-03T18:15:25Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > So far **Mister Obvious** (heh) and **itsmeshh** are playing the “WAKE UP PEOPLE!” card but have not explained their reasoning even the tiniest bit. But I have a “A thread winner is you” card showing and five untapped Internets cards, so the WAKE UP PEOPLE card is clearly useless unless Mister Obvious has an untapped Defense Against Logic card showing. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374/160 "2010-02-03T18:24:41Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > [Much worse than that.](http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/books/Illuminati/img/cover_lg.jpg) Ah, a secret non-Jew Jew trillionaire elite like J. P. Morgan or John D. Rockefeller. Got it. Best _not_ invoke him, then. At least not by name and unshielded by a properly inscribed pentagram. Speaking their names grant the Beasts power and could be an invitation to possession. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism/527374.md?page=9)