# Why are all the most beautiful flags symbols of oppressive regimes? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 5, 2014, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557 "2014-09-05T05:25:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ILikeForeignLanguages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/bc8723/32.png) [@ILikeForeignLanguages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ILikeForeignLanguages)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/1 "2014-09-05T05:25:14Z")
Confederate States of America - the stars and cross battle flag Apartheid South Africa - the Oranje, Blanje, Blou The North Korean flag The flag of the Soviet Union And, although I won’t go so far as to say the Nazi flag was “beautiful,” some do think the Swastika is a “cool looking” symbol. ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/2 "2014-09-05T07:12:24Z")
Confirmation Bias. According to [Freedomhouse.org](http://Freedomhouse.org), the top abusers of human rights in 2011 were: Equatorial Guinea Eritrea, North Korea Saudi Arabia Somalia Sudan Syria Turkmenistan Uzbekistan Tibet Western Sahara Do they all have the most beautiful flags? ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/3 "2014-09-05T07:17:27Z")
My regional flag is red, with the coat of arms (complete, regular or simplified) in the middle. Since that’s similar to the USSR’s, does it mean I live under a Communist regime and hadn’t noticed? I’d say that there is a large difference between “gosh, these oppressive regimes have some pretty flags” and “the prettiest flags belong to oppressive regimes”, even without entering into matters of personal taste. ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/4 "2014-09-05T08:35:37Z")
The science of flags is vexillology and oppressive regimes are very vexatious. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/5 "2014-09-05T13:31:41Z")
The OP starts with a subjective assumption: that the flags listed are beautiful. If you don’t accept that assumption (as I don’t - I don’t think the flags listed are so beautiful), then the supposed linkage to oppressive regimes goes away. ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/6 "2014-09-05T16:05:28Z")
marketing. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/7 "2014-09-05T16:21:19Z")
They’re not beautiful. It’s just that no one wants to admit they’re ugly. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/8 "2014-09-05T16:59:01Z")
Among the most beautiful flags I would list: United States 🙂 Sri Lanka Brazil Spain Greece Israel Kazakhstan Turkmenistan Philippines Brunei Montenegro ---
**Author:** ![SpeedwayRyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@SpeedwayRyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpeedwayRyan)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/9 "2014-09-05T18:49:54Z")
I’m an art director designer (and complete non-Nazi), and I would say that there’s little doubt that Nazi Germany’s graphic design, uniform design, etc. was really, seriously visually impressive. [This is a Nazi “graphic standards” manual that was recently re-discovered.](http://designobserver.com/article.php?id=24358) They put a lot of effort into this stuff, for sure. I also think it’s pretty possible that this stuff, in hindsight, has a sort of “taboo” appeal that makes it stand out even more. That’s why biker gangs co-opted a lot of the imagery…it sends a message of being badass and anti-establishment in a very strong way. From [this story](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hitler-as-art-director-what-the-nazis-style-guide-says-about-the-power-of-design/) on the same manual discussed above: > [@](#): > > BNET: There is something obscene about looking at Nazi material for its aesthetic sense. Talk about the ethics of that. > SH: For a long time I would never buy this material because I had the sense that it was obscene. For a long time I would never drive in a Volkswagen because I’m a Jewish kid from New York. And there is a certain, people have a fetish for this material for reasons I know not. When I was a kid I went to a military school so the idea of regalia was very enticing. At the same time it’s also horrific because you know what those uniforms stood for. > > In fact, Hugo Boss was the designer back in the 1930s of the SS uniforms. It’s not the same Hugo Boss that exists today, it’s a totally different company. But people made these garments. They made the jewelry. They made the flags. This is all part of everyday life. These materials were so integrated into everyday life yet they had this charged symbolism. > > Once the crimes of the Nazis were exposed they also became representative weapons of those crimes. If one is involved in understanding the power of design the power of symbols the power of typography to alter behavior, to influence behavior which it does everyday on a corporate level, on a nonprofit level, on a benign level, on a malicious level, you have to understand what went on with the Nazi practices. I can’t deny there’s a certain allure of the material rooted in its history. And also in the quality, as a designer I see the quality and consistency of their brand. But also I look at it as teaching us something. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/10 "2014-09-05T19:53:28Z")
I think Iceland has the nicest flag. Nothing fancy or obscure. Well-proportioned, good color choices. They don’t torture journalists or invade neighbors, and they eat a lot of fish and dairy instead of red meat. ---
**Author:** ![Neidhart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Neidhart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neidhart)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/11 "2014-09-05T21:39:16Z")
IMHO the Jamaican flag is quite pretty, and, unless you’re gay, the Jamaican regime isn’t that oppressive. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/12 "2014-09-05T22:12:11Z")
I’m a big fan of the flags of Japan and Nepal. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/13 "2014-09-05T23:21:54Z")
I decided to learn every country’s flag, so I’ve spent a lot of time looking at them. Here are some of my favourites: [Bhutan](http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/b/bt.gif) [Seychelles](http://www.mapsofworld.com/images/world-countries-flags/seychelles-flag.gif) [Kiribati](http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/flags/countrys/zzzflags/kilarge.gif) [Macedonia](http://www.mapsofworld.com/images/world-countries-flags/macedonia-flag.gif) I like to think even if I weren’t British I’d think our flag is pretty cool, but who knows? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/14 "2014-09-05T23:22:33Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > I’d say that there is a large difference between “gosh, these oppressive regimes have some pretty flags” and “the prettiest flags belong to oppressive regimes”, even without entering into matters of personal taste. > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > The OP starts with a subjective assumption: that the flags listed are beautiful. If you don’t accept that assumption (as I don’t - I don’t think the flags listed are so beautiful), then the supposed linkage to oppressive regimes goes away. Well… from the OP: **Confederate battle standard** - well designed, serves its purpose as distinctive battlefield colors better than their real national flags. **South Africa 1928-94** : Good application of the underused color orange, \*but \*otherwise a run-of-the-mill horizontal tricolor on which they slapped a gallery-of-earlier-flags device in the center, which is vexillologically less than creative. **North Korea** : Mediocre generic commie armband logo from the mid-century. Maybe good for painting as a racing stripe on the side of the _"New! For the 73-78 5-Year Plan! The People’s Revolutionary **Portable Radio**!! Now with TWO stations!!_" But then again… **…USSR** already had the pick of the flag that said “Yep, we’re the communists, and what are ya gonna do about it?” in a more straightforward and elegant classic style. All in all not a huge endorsement for “oppressors have the best flags”. 50/50 at best. Nazi paraphernalia, of course, is a special case, those cats were scarily ahead of their time at the whole branding thing. Meanwhile, from **Bear\_Nenno** ’s list, you have two countries that are actually under occupation so the regime’s flag is not their own (Tibet and Western Sahara), Eritrea’s which is distinctive and not too busy but potentially eye straining; Somalia’s plain lone star, modestly elegant but kind of dull; Saudi Arabia has the very recognizable\* shahada \*banner. Then you have Uzbekistan’s which is just awful; Turkmenistan that’s in the “we don’t care if no one else can reproduce this” group; while Equatorial Guinea, Sudan and Syria are uncreative, and the latter two remind you that the Arab states seem locked into one particular palette to the point of near indistinctiveness. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Joker\_and\_the\_Thief](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e79b87/32.png) [@The\_Joker\_and\_the\_Thief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Joker_and_the_Thief)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/15 "2014-09-05T23:33:00Z")
Although I agree with the posters who point out that it’s mostly confirmation bias, I’ve always liked the [rising sun flag](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:War_flag_of_the_Imperial_Japanese_Army.svg) and the [flag of Iran](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Iran.svg) (for one of the best implementations of text I’ve seen). ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/16 "2014-09-06T00:25:15Z")
> [@The\_Joker\_and\_the\_Thief](#): > > Although I agree with the posters who point out that it’s mostly confirmation bias, I’ve always liked the [rising sun flag](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:War_flag_of_the_Imperial_Japanese_Army.svg) and the [flag of Iran](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Iran.svg) (for one of the best implementations of text I’ve seen). I thought at first you were referring to the flag of Malawi. ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/17 "2014-09-06T00:40:24Z")
Confirmation bias or no, the flag of the [most oppressive regime in history](http://vatflag.tripod.com/) is indeed quite beautiful. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/18 "2014-09-06T01:23:31Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > **…USSR** already had the pick of the flag that said “Yep, we’re the communists, and what are ya gonna do about it?” in a more straightforward and elegant classic style. Though even that was to cluttered with frou-frou for the [Hungarian Socialist Republic](http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Hungary#/image/File:Socialist_red_flag.svg) ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/19 "2014-09-06T02:13:11Z")
Everyone in this thread is wrong because obviously the [the Inca Empire](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Banner_of_the_Inca_Empire.svg/500px-Banner_of_the_Inca_Empire.svg.png) has the most swagged out flag of all time. Such majesty. ---
**Author:** ![installLSC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/54ee81/32.png) [@installLSC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/installLSC)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557/20 "2014-09-06T02:35:29Z")
Well when I think of beautiful flags, I think the Union Jack or Canada’s flag. Distinct but certainly not plain. [(Alaska’s even better.)](http://www.kusko.net/uploads/akflagmosul.jpg) Certainly not opressive at all. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-all-the-most-beautiful-flags-symbols-of-oppressive-regimes/697557.md?page=2)