# Why are Christian Bookstores Allowed to Ban Books? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 5, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271 "2021-03-05T15:24:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/403 "2021-03-09T13:47:51Z")
I’m not the one too dumb to understand this isn’t about what I can say, which is whatever I want. When what’s under discussion, even in a satirical thread like this, is what sort of expression will get so-called art cancelled by the manipulative wokesters. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/404 "2021-03-09T13:49:54Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > So instead, you refuse to back _your own self_ up, which is, I admit, a new cowardly low, even for a santorumy fuckstain like you. Actually, it’s not a new low, it’s entirely routine at this point. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/405 "2021-03-09T13:50:32Z")
Can you give an example of art that has been “cancelled” by this group of ne’er do wells? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/406 "2021-03-09T13:52:50Z")
> **[Pepe Le Pew Not Slated for Future Warner Bros. Television Projects](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/pepe-le-pew-not-slated-for-future-warner-bros-television-projects-4145291/)** > > The controversial Looney Tunes skunk was also scrubbed from the upcoming film ‘Space Jam 2’. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/407 "2021-03-09T13:58:01Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > [Pepe Le Pew Not Slated for Future Warner Bros. Television Projects – The Hollywood Reporter](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/pepe-le-pew-not-slated-for-future-warner-bros-television-projects) - What’s wrong? You don’t want to be a better person? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/408 "2021-03-09T14:00:00Z")
How would _you_ know what that’s like. Man, did you _seriously_ think anyone was going to take your obvious bait? Never mind me, just … _anyone_? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/409 "2021-03-09T14:03:43Z")
Wait, did I miss a “Cancel Pepe” campaign a year ago? The WokeNet has clearly failed me… ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/410 "2021-03-09T14:04:42Z")
The problem is you don’t even understand what’s being discussed. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/411 "2021-03-09T14:12:17Z")
I’m not sure if that was supposed to be a response to my post, but if it was, then that’s not an example of art that is cancelled by “manipulative wokesters”, that is a studio choosing to no longer produce _new_ content with a particular character. Bad enough that people are demanding that Amazon carry things they don’t want to carry, but you want to demand that a studio produce content that they don’t want to produce? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/412 "2021-03-09T14:15:28Z")
I, for one, will not allow Warner Bros. Television Projects to take from our great culture a beloved character that shows the positive side of rape and humanizes rapists. Octopus and I will be handing out petitions at the next meeting. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/413 "2021-03-09T14:40:02Z")
Maybe it’s just my perception, but it is interesting to me that threads like this (“cancel culture”/culture war bullshit) seem to have much more involvement from members who identify as “conservative” than threads dealing with actual policies like the Texas electrical grid or Republican’s attempts to curb democracy. This will be the issue in 2022 and 2024. Republican leaders aren’t about policies or the running of an efficient government, they’re about the stoking of feelings of victimhood in their party’s base. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/414 "2021-03-09T14:48:20Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > This will be the issue in 2022 and 2024. Republican leaders aren’t about policies or the running of an efficient government, they’re about the stoking of feelings of victimhood in their party’s base. Well of course. Republicans will be happy to freeze to death in a winter storm as long as you give them someone to blame other than themselves. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/415 "2021-03-09T15:21:52Z")
It joins the ignominious list that includes (“They’re coming for your”) guns, abortion, and same-sex marriage. When you have no ideas, the Culture War is all you have. And when far too many of your voters _couldn’t comprehend a debate on the issues,_ … ibid. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/416 "2021-03-09T15:42:22Z")
I am just not understanding what you find wrong with this: > [@](#): > > Pepé Le Pew is not featured in any current Warner Bros. TV projects and there are no current plans for the controversial cartoon skunk to return, _The Hollywood Reporter_ has learned. > > The news comes one day after it was reported Pepé Le Pew was scrubbed from the upcoming _Space Jam 2_ . And while all that news falls days after a _New York Times_ opinion piece in which the character was said to have “normalized rape culture,” the decision to both scrub him from the film and not have him return for TV projects was made more than a year ago. Should WB always use the character no matter what, because choosing to not write it into scripts is fundamentally wrong? Which scripts should be required to include the character, and why? Should they only choose to not use the character if the reason has nothing to do with their own determination of its appropriateness? You have yet to articulate an understandable and coherent complaint, let alone a possible solution or action step. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/417 "2021-03-09T15:54:01Z")
I’m not saying people shouldn’t have control over their IP. I am saying that there are nutty factions that have a disproportionate weight in what is acceptable to exist and that to prevent further emboldening they should not be appeased. I thought it was bad when TSR placated the religious by taking demons and devils out during 2nd edition D&D. I understand that corporations are frightened of the online and offline mob but nothing good is going to come from this current trend. Either it’s going to continue to get more and more absurd or there will be a vicious backlash. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/418 "2021-03-09T16:02:21Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > there will be a vicious backlash. There already is. You are a perfect example. Vicious in the most chuckleheaded way. But you’re going to get smashed by reality yet again, because you and the rest of your conservative neanderthals are on the wrong side of history **again**. If you’re wondering. Yes, we will take great pleasure bashing you in the face with goodness over and over. We will make all the shit you’ve celebrated for decades so opprobrious that even your slimiest underrock dwellers will be reluctant to drag it into the light. > [@octopus](#): > > The problem is you don’t even understand what’s being discussed. I do. And that’s what it is. You being crushed by the giant boulder of oppression shrugged off by the people you’ve been oppressing since forever. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/419 "2021-03-09T16:06:21Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I understand that corporations are frightened of the online and offline mob but nothing good is going to come from this current trend. Either it’s going to continue to get more and more absurd or there will be a vicious backlash. What you’re missing is the fact that what you’re calling “woke” is actually the backlash. It’s backlash against centuries of WASP cultural hegemony, and it’s entirely appropriate. I’ve seen enough of your arguments to understand that when you’re entirely out of arguments, you allude to some sort of dangerous boogeyman that you don’t want to spell out, but it really seems like you’re wishcasting for stronger people to put things right for you. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/420 "2021-03-09T16:13:25Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > {…} it really seems like you’re wishcasting for stronger people to put things right for you. Not a spell in 2nd edition D&D. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/421 "2021-03-09T16:17:39Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I am saying that there are nutty factions that have a disproportionate weight in what is acceptable to exist and that to prevent further emboldening they should not be appeased. Right, and by this, you are talking about people who demand that the owners of Seuss properties to publish books that they don’t want to, for animation studios to write and draw a character that they don’t want to? ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/422 "2021-03-09T16:28:14Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I’m not saying people shouldn’t have control over their IP. I am saying that there are nutty factions that have a disproportionate weight in what is acceptable to exist and that to prevent further emboldening they should not be appeased. I thought it was bad when TSR placated the religious by taking demons and devils out during 2nd edition D&D. > > I understand that corporations are frightened of the online and offline mob but nothing good is going to come from this current trend. Either it’s going to continue to get more and more absurd or there will be a vicious backlash. What’s the difference between a “nutty faction” and a “cultural shift”? What makes the choice to not continue writing for the Pepe Le Pew character a response to a “nutty faction” while the choice to continue writing for Pepe Le Pew would be a response to [normal people?]? How has a nutty faction influenced WB in this instance in a way that is fundamentally different than any other response they might make to changes in the market? How is the choice to not write Pepe Le Pew into some current scripts “absurd”? Still, you haven’t articulated what your problem is with corporations responding to the preferences of the market when they decide what art to sell and what art to shelve, or why the choice to stop writing a cartoon skunk character who physically forces himself on women is problematic. It seems like you’re suggesting that WB should not make that call, and that we’re all worse off because they did. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271.md?page=22)