# Why are Christian Bookstores Allowed to Ban Books? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 5, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271 "2021-03-05T15:24:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/443 "2021-03-09T16:58:22Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I wasn’t pearl clutching you disingenuous fool. I was saying I find it fascinating that the woke are more ‘concerned’ about Mr. Potato Head, Aunt Jemima, and Dr. Seuss than they are about sexually explicit and relatively demeaning, one could say misogynistic, popular music. I listen to my fair share of explicit songs. I wore out my N.W.A cassette back in the day. 🙂 But, I don’t hypocritically listen to that while demanding Cat in the Hat be cancelled. Men singing about women’s WAPs is sexually demeaning. Women singing about _their own_ WAPs is empowering. (Also disgusting IMO, but _chacun a son gout_ and all that). This has been pointed out to you before. No one is demanding _The Cat in the Hat_ be cancelled. No one is demanding _any_ Dr Seuss book be cancelled. This has also been pointed out to you before. The standards of acceptable content for adult rap songs are different than those for books aimed at toddlers. This has also been pointed out to you before. Understanding the difference between adult rap songs and children’s book is not “hypocrisy”. This has also been pointed out to you before. But at least you repeated your narrative. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/444 "2021-03-09T16:59:15Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > My motivation comes from a value of individual liberty Your definition of individual rights has always been “rights for me” while “nobody I disagree with has any rights at all.” Read your posts, if you have the stomach for it. All you do is scream individual rights and then deny other individuals their right not to be oppressed, to freely join into groups, and to use political and social pressure to achieve their goals. You’re right that’s not a liberal stance. It has always been the message on the bottom of the boots of the conservatives. We see right through you. The only lumps that are opaque are the parts that are despicable. Strain those out and nothing is left. And goddam it, the Civil War was about slavery. Nothing else. Slavery, slavery, slavery. You would have made the perfect slaveowner, screaming about your individual right to own slaves. You’ve obviously modeled your entire life after them. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/445 "2021-03-09T16:59:24Z")
It could be argued that women singing about WAPs is internalized misogyny. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/446 "2021-03-09T17:01:18Z")
We? And you wonder why you all are derisively referred to as a hive. Not only are your thoughts homogenous and reflexive they are wholly inaccurate. But since you get stroked for being in congruence you parrot them. Grats, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/447 "2021-03-09T17:02:30Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I was saying I find it fascinating that the woke are more ‘concerned’ about Mr. Potato Head, Aunt Jemima, and Dr. Seuss Who is the one that is concerned about these? I hear lots of noise from the right, lots of complaints and whining from you. > [@octopus](#): > > they are about sexually explicit and relatively demeaning, one could say misogynistic, popular music. As has been pointed out, we don’t have to listen to it if we don’t want to. And if the author of these songs chooses to stop publishing them, if they decide that they no longer reflect the values that they wish to portray, then I would support them in that decision as well. > [@octopus](#): > > But, I don’t hypocritically listen to that while demanding Cat in the Hat be cancelled. I don’t listen to it either. And can you tell me who is demanding that Cat in the Hat be cancelled? If nothing else, you _are_ aware that Cat in the Hat is _not_ one of the works that Suess’s estate no longer chooses to publish, right? ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/448 "2021-03-09T17:02:42Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It could be argued that women singing about WAPs is internalized misogyny. How about you let us women decide what is internalized misogyny? Your opinion is part of the problem, not part of the solution. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/449 "2021-03-09T17:03:15Z")
That’s not how it works. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/450 "2021-03-09T17:05:59Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And you wonder why you all are derisively referred to as a hive. It’s funny that you call it a hive if people agree, and then call it hypocrisy when they disagree. Take a dump on the floor of Costco, then call everyone that looks at you in disgust a member of the hive. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/451 "2021-03-09T17:06:48Z")
Why don’t you octosplain how it works for us then? ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/452 "2021-03-09T17:08:11Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > octosplain Good one. I’m going to remember this one and use it often. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/453 "2021-03-09T17:08:20Z")
The hypocrisy comes from employing a different set of standards and behaviors based solely on what outcome is desired. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/454 "2021-03-09T17:09:07Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > See, you are an intellectual and emotional coward. You won’t post on a site where you are outnumbered. You post for social validation. Social validation is an immature need when discussing issues or adjudicating a debate. But logic, fact, and valid argument aren’t “immature needs.” They’re critical components of a healthy debate and a productive dialogue, and they’re pathologically wanting in you. Despite my (cleverly deduced) ‘intellectual and emotional coward[ice],’ I can still string coherent sentences together without fragging logic, logical _consistency,_ and debate in the attempt. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/455 "2021-03-09T17:09:08Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I was saying I find it fascinating that the woke are more ‘concerned’ about Mr. Potato Head, Aunt Jemima, and Dr. Seuss than they are about sexually explicit and relatively demeaning, one could say misogynistic, popular music. ? Why should anyone be concerned about sexual explicitness in adult pop songs? As long as you’re not playing them in the daycare or other inappropriate settings, I see no cause for concern in consenting adults listening to dirty lyrics as much as they want to. And your weasel words of “relatively” and “one could say” and “could be argued that” aren’t adding any persuasiveness to your unsupported assertion that the lyrics of “WAP” actually are “demeaning” or “misogynistic”. The only people freaking out with “concern” about commercial products like Potato Head, Aunt Jemima, and Dr. Seuss books are the right-wingers trying to whip up popular paranoia about bullshit fears of socialist totalitarianism and what-not. There’s nothing to be concerned about in the phenomenon of manufacturers changing their product line to retire some outdated racist or sexist imagery. It is absolutely pathetic to see so many conservatives making such a fuss because they no longer get a “mammy” caricature of a black woman on their syrup bottle or a male honorific on their potato toy. Are you really so insecure in the modern world that you can’t stand to have your cultural reminders of the traditionally racist and sexist past removed from product labels because the producers are trying to be more appealing to modern consumers? (You can still call your own Potato Head toy “Mr. Potato Head” if you prefer to regard it as male, you know.) ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/456 "2021-03-09T17:09:38Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Why don’t you octosplain how it works for us then? That is funny and sorta scary, I almost prefaced that post with “lemme octosplain for a minute” But I am trying to have a constructive polylogue here. If we had sigs, “octosplaining since whatever my join date” is would be a good one. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/457 "2021-03-09T17:11:19Z")
That’s good and all. But answering a simple question on your viewpoint towards liberty is still too difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/458 "2021-03-09T17:12:12Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It could be argued that women singing about WAPs is internalized misogyny. It could be, and there’s certainly a potential substantive argument to be made there. Perhaps you should make it, preferably in a separate thread in which it’s relevant. > [@octopus](#): > > And you wonder why you all are derisively referred to as a hive Because derisively referring to everyone else as a “hive” is easier than making an argument supported by evidence or accepting that the argument unsupported by reality you keep making is so staggeringly wrong it’s obvious to everyone but yourself. > [@octopus](#): > > The hypocrisy comes from employing a different set of standards and behaviors based solely on what outcome is desired. In much the same way that saying that punching people in the face in the boxing ring is acceptable but doing so in church is unacceptable is “hypocrisy”. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/459 "2021-03-09T17:13:37Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I am trying to have a constructive polylogue Nitpick: The first part of the word “dialogue” is from Greek “dia”, “through”, rather than “duo”, “two”. The term “dialogue” is just as etymologically applicable to a discussion among many people as it is to a conversation between only two, so you don’t have to coin a new word to express the idea of having a dialogue with multiple people. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/460 "2021-03-09T17:14:19Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Answer the question. Do people have the right to offend with the fear of violence? Part of the reason that I simply answered this with ‘fuck off’ is that it’s an unintelligible question at worst, and ridiculously ambiguous at best. And since ambiguity befalls the draftor, would you care to try again ? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/461 "2021-03-09T17:14:26Z")
Oh, so something like getting upset about private actors choosing what to do with their product, and calling that liberty? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/462 "2021-03-09T17:14:46Z")
Oh, I know perfectly well what you wanted to be discussed. Like I said, obvious bait is obvious, racist little troll. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271.md?page=24)