# Why are Christian Bookstores Allowed to Ban Books? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 5, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271 "2021-03-05T15:24:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/161 "2021-03-05T21:47:51Z")
> [@WalterBishop](#): > > I think, when it comes to the issue of transgenderism, we oughtn’t be too quick to use labels like ‘hate speech’ and TERF etc… Transgender issues are complicated and nuanced, and there’s legitimate debate to be had over whether currently employed strategies for treating transgenderism have optimal outcomes for patients. There is plenty of room for discussion of these issues. But if someone says, “Transwomen aren’t women” they aren’t looking to debate the nuance of the issue. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/162 "2021-03-05T21:49:07Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > But if someone says, “Transwomen aren’t women” they aren’t looking to debate the nuance of the issue. Indeed. They are disagreeing with the holy catechism and must be punished. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/163 "2021-03-05T21:50:02Z")
I figured out your problem. You are a piece of shit, and you say shitty things. But you think that people shouldn’t hold that against you, and that they should be nice and be your friends. You refuse to accept that there are consequences for being a piece of shit and saying shitty things, and think that it is persecution that no one likes you. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/164 "2021-03-05T21:50:30Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > > [@k9bfriender](#): > > > > Am I silencing you if I don’t ask to sign up for your newsletter? > > Look at these headlines: > > [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/22/inside-the-beltway-republican-party-gets-some-maga/](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/22/inside-the-beltway-republican-party-gets-some-maga/) > > [https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/510402-afraid-to-speak-your-mind-maybe-were-not-as-free-as-we-think](https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/510402-afraid-to-speak-your-mind-maybe-were-not-as-free-as-we-think) > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-need-the-exhausted-majority-to-speak-up/2018/10/15/160440fa-d090-11e8-83d6-291fcead2ab1\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-need-the-exhausted-majority-to-speak-up/2018/10/15/160440fa-d090-11e8-83d6-291fcead2ab1_story.html) > > [Why Students Are Terrified (to Speak Their Minds) | Psychology Today](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/rabble-rouser/201811/why-students-are-terrified-speak-their-minds) > > [https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2020/04/29/survey-identifies-‘dangerous’-student-self-censorship](https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2020/04/29/survey-identifies-%E2%80%98dangerous%E2%80%99-student-self-censorship) That would certainly be better for your argument than if people were to actually read the linked articles. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/165 "2021-03-05T21:51:05Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I figured out your problem. > > You are a piece of shit, and you say shitty things. But you think that people shouldn’t hold that against you, and that they should be nice and be your friends. > > You refuse to accept that there are consequences for being a piece of shit and saying shitty things, and think that it is persecution that no one likes you. It took you that long?? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/166 "2021-03-05T21:51:54Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > @k9bfriender. People are not being paranoid. They are rationally afraid of these ‘consequences’ you speak of. The consequences of losing your job, friends, respect… that’s the opposite of irrational. It has a chilling effect. It silences people. > > The only question is, do you want them silenced? If you’re losing friends because you’re saying bigoted bullshit now, you would have lost them before. Nothing has changed on _that_ front. Unless what you’re saying is that, to date, you pretended to be a decent person in public but were a total shit online, and only nowadays has the stench of your internet presence begun to be noticed by the people around you in meatspace. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/167 "2021-03-05T21:52:22Z")
You ninja’d me, but here was my take: I grew up in a very integrated area at a time when race relations were particularly hot. Decades later, I still vividly recall white men saying, “I don’t even know what ‘you people’ want to be called any more: is it black ? Colored ? Afro-American ? African-American ?? I can’t keep up.” Remarkably like the keyboard study.\* I’ve never had trouble keeping up with what people prefer to be called, though I do slip occasionally. \*[**Note: PDF**](http://www.uky.edu/AS/PoliSci/Peffley/pdf/Study%20finds%20left-wing%20brain_%20right-wing%20brain.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/168 "2021-03-05T21:54:13Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Indeed. They are disagreeing with the holy catechism and must be punished. Seriously, tell me about this ‘secular catechism’! If it is just “if thou beest a piece of shit, people will notice and treat you like the piece of shit you are maybe”, then I will be deeply disappointed. But put that aside, I _really_ want to hear about the secular “original sin”. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/169 "2021-03-05T21:54:55Z")
of course it exists. Just look at Colin Kaepernick. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/170 "2021-03-05T21:55:42Z")
That` > [@DemonTree](#): > > > [@k9bfriender](#): > > > > But if someone says, “Transwomen aren’t women” they aren’t looking to debate the nuance of the issue. > > Indeed. They are disagreeing with the holy catechism and must be punished. Thank you for that. As @WalterBishop can now see, you have no interest in nuanced debate, but only to spew your hatred. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/171 "2021-03-05T21:57:11Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > The consequences of losing your job, friends, respect… …are bad, sure. But they’re also pretty predictable, and always have been. If you say something that embarrasses or discredits your employer, you’re very likely to lose your job. If you say something that offends or insults your friends, you’re quite likely to lose your friends. If you say something that is despicable or contemptible, you’re likely to lose respect from people around you in general. When has this ever been different? The only thing that’s substantially different now, other than the unprecedented scope and speed of disseminating remarks on social media, is that now you can actually seriously embarrass, offend or disgust large numbers of people by denigrating and disrespecting historically disprivileged and marginalized groups. That’s new, to a large extent. That’s what’s producing all this “chilling effect” among so many people who have always taken it for granted that disparaging marginalized groups is inherently consequence-free. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/172 "2021-03-05T21:58:05Z")
I knew he was a piece of shit without friends. I just thought that that was his choice, I didn’t realize just how lonely he must be, and how angry that loneliness must make him. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/173 "2021-03-05T21:58:30Z")
Yep. It’s the old “I want to be able to spew my hateful ignorance, and if you point out how hateful and ignorant it is, then you are a Bad Man, and I am being cancelled.” It’s bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/174 "2021-03-05T21:58:31Z")
The problem is authoritarians such as the nuts of the far left that think that as long as the state is not passing laws to outlaw certain expression and that silencing folks is happening because of tremendous corporate power or violent mobs of anarchists that the actions are not illiberal. You folks would be perfectly at home in the easily manipulated mobs during the Reign of Terror under Robespierre or in the unthinking mobs of Mao during the struggle sessions. You folks have no guiding principles other than exploiting the aspects of social justice that superficially sound good in order to enact your own illiberal and bigoted institutions of power. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/175 "2021-03-05T21:58:44Z")
“When You’re Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression.” ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/176 "2021-03-05T22:00:13Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The problem is authoritarians such as the nuts of the far left that think that as long as the state is not passing laws to outlaw certain expression and that silencing folks is happening because of tremendous corporate power or violent mobs of anarchists that the actions are not illiberal. No, I don’t think that that’s the problem. I think the problem is that you’ve gone far too long without a hug, because no one likes you, and you hate them for it. I feel for you, I truly do, but you are the only one that can change you. No one else can do it for you. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/177 "2021-03-05T22:00:15Z")
You forgot that equality is now anachronistic. It’s now unachievable equity. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/178 "2021-03-05T22:01:24Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The problem is authoritarians such as the nuts of the far left that think that as long as the state is not passing laws to outlaw certain expression and that silencing folks is happening because of tremendous corporate power or violent mobs of anarchists that the actions are not illiberal. > > You folks would be perfectly at home in the easily manipulated mobs during the Reign of Terror under Robespierre or in the unthinking mobs of Mao during the struggle sessions. You folks have no guiding principles other than exploiting the aspects of social justice that superficially sound good in order to enact your own illiberal and bigoted institutions of power. This would be way more convincing if you were not wholly supportive of your own side doing the things you criticize your fictionalized vision of the left for. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/179 "2021-03-05T22:01:46Z")
Oh! You told me! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/180 "2021-03-05T22:02:29Z")
You can’t find a single example of me being in favor of censorship or violently assaulting a person or looting or arson. That’s the left. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271.md?page=10)