# Why are conservatives such dicks? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 7, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657 "2009-08-07T16:54:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2009, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/201 "2009-08-09T17:50:18Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I don’t want to listen to a radio show, so I’ve been reading some of Hugh Hewitt’s writings. I don’t think I would consider him reasonable. Given that he’s a fairly well placed figure in a strictly defined media format that gathers [earballs](http://www.wordspy.com/words/earballs.asp) entirely thru ginning up RO, I wouldn’t think he could _possibly_ be reasonable. He couldn’t afford it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/202 "2009-08-09T17:53:08Z")
He is _comparatively_ reasonable, this must be granted, when the comparison includes such denizens of the deeply deranged as Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity. Which is why, of course, his tax returns are more modest than either of those. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/203 "2009-08-09T18:49:43Z")
> [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > Once again, it’s about rules first, people second; morality as outside of human experience (sky-buddy, if you like, but not necessarily); and firm, limited, absolute Truths. Anything more (or less, as a believer would see it) is the path to social chaos, dogs and cats living together, etc. IIRC, he calls himself a libertarian, but hasn’t he spoken out against gays in the past? Or am I thinking of someone else? ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/204 "2009-08-10T13:49:41Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > How do you define greed? A man who’s life is built on the accumulated social capital of generations who then turns around and says ‘I owe you nothing.’ ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/205 "2009-08-10T14:37:51Z")
> [@Plan\_B](#): > > Oh yeah, and we don’t go around calling you guys dicks based on what some guy on TV told us. Probably because most of the haters you follow are on the radio. 😛 What Righties have called Lefties based on the caterwauling of Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, Beck, and the rest has been every bit as bad as or worse than “dicks.” ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/206 "2009-08-11T17:03:18Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > I’ll see your “[patriotpost.us](http://patriotpost.us)” political cartoon, and raise you [actual video footage](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX4F_cb9AXk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ehuffingtonpost%2Ecom%2F2009%2F08%2F06%2Ftampa%2Dtown%2Dhall%2Don%2Dhealth%5Fn%5F253478%2Ehtml&feature=player_embedded). And how is that footage supposed to show disruption? Those were people who were locked out of a public meeting with their elected rep, demanding to be heard by that rep. Why aren’t you pissed about the doors being locked on them? That’s the outrage. Here’s [what happened on the other side of the door](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts5siyBYddM&feature=related). A liberal rep trying to blow smoke up the ass of the voters and **totally ignoring what they were saying**. Is that the lib game plan? Lock the doors on the majority of the people who want to attend the meeting and then lie to the ones that got in and then ignore them when they call you on the lies? Why the hell aren’t you outraged by that, instead of being snarky about people demanding to meet with their elected rep.? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/207 "2009-08-11T17:04:35Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > You know that’s a cartoon, right? Sigh. Do you? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/208 "2009-08-11T17:10:04Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > [Here you go](http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/americans-for-prosperity-compares-health-care-reform-to-holocaust-tells-protesters-to-put-fear-of-go.php). Since my original post, I’ve been doing some reading. And I retract what I said; the government is implementing a “final solution” of sorts. • Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia? • Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time. • Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death. • Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends. • Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT. • Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life. People, if for no other reason than these pages alone, we should all rise up in arms and demand of our elected officials that this bill be killed, a stake be driven through its heart and garlic shoved in its mouth, so that it will never return. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/209 "2009-08-11T17:17:02Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Since my original post, I’ve been doing some reading. And I retract what I said; the government is implementing a “final solution” of sorts. > > • Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia? > • Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time. > • Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death. > • Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends. > • Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT. > • Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life. > > People, if for no other reason than these pages alone, we should all rise up in arms and demand of our elected officials that this bill be killed, a stake be driven through its heart and garlic shoved in its mouth, so that it will never return. Funny, when you said you’ve been doing some “reading”, one might infer that you’ve been reading the actual health bill. Instead, you’ve just been reading the [talking points](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2300451/posts). The least you can do, when you’re mindlessly cutting and pasting, is be honest about it. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/210 "2009-08-11T17:19:16Z")
I don’t recall the Nazis offering their victims end of life counseling and consultations on living wills. I went to public school, so I could be wrong, but I thought they rounded them up and murdered them. Now I’m wondering who would be more offended by this assinine equivocation: Obama or Heydrich. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/211 "2009-08-11T17:20:38Z")
Has anybody posted a link to the actual bill? [It’s over here - it’s an enormous document in PDF form but you can scroll ahead to page 425 and the subsequent pages.](http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAHCA09001xml.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/212 "2009-08-11T17:38:24Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia? > • Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time. > • Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death. > • Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends. > • Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT. > • Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life. Oh, and as for this? [A lie](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/23/betsy-mccaughey/mccaughey-claims-end-life-counseling-will-be-requi/) > [@](#): > > For our ruling on this one, there’s really no gray area here. McCaughey incorrectly states that the bill would require Medicare patients to have these counseling sessions and she is suggesting that the government is somehow trying to interfere with a very personal decision. And her claim that the sessions would “tell [seniors] how to end their life sooner” is an outright distortion. Rather, the sessions are an option for elderly patients who want to learn more about living wills, health care proxies and other forms of end-of-life planning. McCaughey isn’t just wrong, she’s spreading a ridiculous falsehood. That’s a Pants on Fire. And [another cite](http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/false-euthanasia-claims/) that also details these fabrications. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/213 "2009-08-11T17:45:07Z")
> [@](#): > > • Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia? > • Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time. > • Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death. Wow. You’re so full of shit sometimes it’s a wonder it doesn’t spill out of your ears. Page 425 and the rest of the last sentence, which continues onto 426: > [@](#): > > 1 ‘‘(FF) advance care planning consultation (as > 2 defined in subsection (hhh)(1));’’; and > 3 (B) by adding at the end the following new > 4 subsection: > 5 ‘‘Advance Care Planning Consultation > 6 ‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the > 7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con > 8 sultation between the individual and a practitioner de > 9 scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, > 10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has > 11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such > 12 consultation shall include the following: > 13 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad > 14 vance care planning, including key questions and > 15 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo > 16 ple to talk to. > 17 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad > 18 vance directives, including living wills and durable > 19 powers of attorney, and their uses. > 20 ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the > 21 role and responsibilities of a health care proxy. > 22 ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list > 23 of national and State-specific resources to assist con > 24 sumers and their families with advance care plan > 25 ning, including the national toll-free hotline, the ad- > 1 vance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal > 2 service organizations (including those funded > 3 through the Older Americans Act of 1965). > 4 ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the > 5 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail6 > able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene > 7 fits for such services and supports that are available > 8 under this title. “Government” doesn’t “consult and instruct”. Your _own fucking doctor_ explains. I scarcely need to mention that it doesn’t say a damn thing about estate taxes, but then you didn’t actually write this anyway, did you? (Thanks to **ArchiveGuy** for pointing that out). ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/214 "2009-08-11T17:46:56Z")
**Clothahump** is going to live forever. Didn’t you guys know that? So it’s plain to see why he wouldn’t need to consult with anyone about creating a living will, or planning for any unforeseen accidents or the normal deterioration of health caused by old age. No need to be responsible and consider such things because he’s got 🆒 PRIVATE INSURANCE 🆒, and they’ll spare no expense to make sure he can drag out his final days shitting his pants and trolling internet messageboards. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/215 "2009-08-11T17:48:05Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > **Clothahump** is going to live forever. Didn’t you guys know that? Only if the Freepers tell him to, though. ---
**Author:** ![Spiff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiff/32/9852_2.png) [@Spiff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiff)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/216 "2009-08-11T17:51:44Z")
Let’s wait around a bit and wait for Clothahump’s apology for spreading falsehoods, shall we? I’m not holding my breath… ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/217 "2009-08-11T17:56:03Z")
It’s almost like Free Republic isn’t a neutral and unbiased source for comment on this health care initiative. Say it ain’t so, **Clothahump**. Say it ain’t so. _Walks off, shaking his head sadly._ ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/218 "2009-08-11T17:59:20Z")
> [@Spiff](#): > > Let’s wait around a bit and wait for Clothahump’s apology for spreading falsehoods, shall we? Heck, I’d settle for an apology for plagiarism. He’s demonstrated he’s dumb enough to not understand those irksome details involved with reading comprehension and such, but he’s certainly been around long enough to know not to quote at length without attribution… ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/219 "2009-08-11T18:03:26Z")
> [@villa](#): > > It’s almost like Free Republic isn’t a neutral and unbiased source for comment on this health care initiative. Say it ain’t so, **Clothahump**. Say it ain’t so. > > _Walks off, shaking his head sadly._ In my head, I totally heard the theme to The Incredible Hulk. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/220 "2009-08-11T22:15:30Z")
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