# Why are Democrats being blamed for the shutdown? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 8, 2025, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788 "2025-10-08T17:11:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/161 "2025-11-01T23:12:15Z")
According to a news report I saw, Trump’s reaction to a court order that he needs to pay for SNAP was, “I didn’t think I could legally do that. But now that I know I can, I’m more than happy to and I’ll get my staff figuring how to fund it right away.” If that is true the Pubs will put out the message of how the Dems were willing to starve you and your children for their dumbass losing battle for ACA. But _we_ funded it despite them." and the Dem message will be their typical “Derp, Trump bad man.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2025, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/162 "2025-11-02T00:47:14Z")
According to polling, Democrats are winning this messaging battle right now. I’m not sure why you’re so committed to insisting they’re losing. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2025, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/163 "2025-11-02T01:04:10Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > and the Dem message will be their typical “Derp, Trump bad man.” Not even close. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2025, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/164 "2025-11-02T01:24:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > According to polling, Democrats are winning this messaging battle right now. I’m not sure why you’re so committed to insisting they’re losing. Did you notice I was writing in the future tense AND it was based on a conditional? Not present tense. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Not even close. Then that would be a change. ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2025, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/165 "2025-11-02T01:40:42Z")
I didn’t think you should be too surprised that a life long Republican is going to use any chance to trash Democrats. Trump is a temporary nuisance who’s still forwarding the agenda they want, don’t mistake them for someone who actually cares. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/166 "2025-11-05T03:18:03Z")
I think tonight proved that the Democrat s aren’t being blamed for the shutdown. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/167 "2025-11-05T03:25:37Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > According to polling, Democrats are winning this messaging battle right now. That’s nonsense. Everyone is blaming the Democrats. I hate Trump, but he played this one brilliantly. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/168 "2025-11-05T03:34:13Z")
Someone is clearly watching election results from a parallel dimension. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/169 "2025-11-05T07:11:29Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > > > According to polling, Democrats are winning this messaging battle right now. > > That’s nonsense. Everyone is blaming the Democrats. I hate Trump, but he played this one brilliantly. Ha, good one! ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/170 "2025-11-05T10:16:11Z")
This is straight out of the NYT Pitchbot. “I hate Trump, but if the Dems don’t stop the shutdown, I’ll have to vote for him for a fourth time.” Not that I’m saying you voted for him, but your take seems to be at odds with polling, and, more recently, election results. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/171 "2025-11-05T17:02:33Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > That’s nonsense. Everyone is blaming the Democrats. I hate Trump, but he played this one brilliantly. Trump is even blaming the Republicans. > [@](#): > > “TRUMP WASN’T ON THE BALLOT, AND SHUTDOWN, WERE THE TWO REASONS THAT REPUBLICANS LOST ELECTIONS TONIGHT,” according to Pollsters. That was typed by Trump. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/172 "2025-11-05T18:00:09Z")
Even a broken cock is right twice a day. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/173 "2025-11-05T19:00:52Z")
And today he’s back to saying it’s the Dems’ fault. See? He can be predictable if he wants to! ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/174 "2025-11-05T20:12:44Z")
It’s the Democrats’ fault the Democrats won? He’s not wrong, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/175 "2025-11-05T20:18:03Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > That’s nonsense. Everyone is blaming the Democrats. I hate Trump, but he played this one brilliantly. Wrong. > **[Poll: Republicans shoulder more shutdown blame, as signs of voter irritation...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/poll-republicans-shutdown-blame-signs-voter-irritation-both-parties-rcna240552)** > > A new national NBC News poll finds 52% of voters blame Trump and Republicans in Congress for the ongoing shutdown, while 42% blame Democrats in Congress. Not to mention [https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/05/media/mamdani-election-spanberger-sherrill-media](https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/05/media/mamdani-election-spanberger-sherrill-media) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/176 "2025-11-05T23:01:32Z")
Why should the Dems cave now? > **[Democrats Dig In on Shutdown After Election Wins](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/05/us/politics/democrats-trump-shutdown-filibuster.html?unlocked_article_code=1.y08.ShnC.7z6niqZsXb77&smid=url-share)** > > President Trump’s declaration that the closure had hurt his party on Tuesday appeared to have stiffened Democrats’ resolve and put at least a temporary damper on talks to end the crisis. > Senate Democrats on Wednesday dug deeper into their demand that President Trump negotiate with them on health care subsidies in exchange for reopening the government, after Mr. Trump declared that the record-long federal closure had hurt his party in Tuesday’s elections. You don’t NEGOTIATE with Donald Trump. Because he doesn’t stick to his agreements and he can’t be trusted. You give him an ultimatum and walk away. And even if the Dems “negotiate” with not-crazy Republicans, Donnie will sweep away and cancel whatever the two sides come up with. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/177 "2025-11-05T23:13:45Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > You don’t NEGOTIATE with Donald Trump. Because he doesn’t stick to his agreements and he can’t be trusted. You give him an ultimatum and walk away. And, beyond that, Trump has told Congressional Republicans to _not_ negotiate with the Democrats. His only strategies right now appear to be: - Try to convince more Senate Democrats to cave and sign onto a “clean bill” - Strong-arm GOP Senators to get rid of the filibuster, so that they can pass a spending bill without 60 votes ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/178 "2025-11-05T23:45:46Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > That’s nonsense. Everyone is blaming the Democrats. I hate Trump, but he played this one brilliantly. I would think that if people were blaming the Dems, then the Republicans would have done better yesterday. But what do I know? ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2025, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/179 "2025-11-06T02:24:47Z")
I’m about to face my 2d missed paycheck, and I’ll be PISSED if the fucking Dems give in to those bastards. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2025, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788/180 "2025-11-06T02:44:31Z")
I’m curious as to why people blame the Republicans. Is it because they feel the Pubs should give in to the minority party? Is it because they hold the majority in the Senate and should be able to pass whatever they want (i.e. I don’t understand the filibuster rules). Is it just a lot of people who say everything the Republicans do is wrong & evil & worse than Hitler? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-democrats-being-blamed-for-the-shutdown/1023788.md?page=10)