# Why are Jews still hated so much around the world outside of the U.S.? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 19, 2012, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131 "2012-09-19T01:36:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/201 "2012-09-24T00:52:15Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > [Ri-i-i-i-i-ight!](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7156244/Record-number-of-anti-Semitic-attacks-in-Britain.html) > (Separate view of the [same report](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12350913).) > > And, while anecdotes are not the same as data, [this story suggests that you are very wrong](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2119063/One-British-mothers-utterly-shocking-account-anti-Semitism-children-suffer.html). > > Now, if you want to argue that UK anti-semitism parallels US anti-semitism, for the most part, with it being demonstrated more by a general lack of understanding flavored by disdain with a number of widely held misconceptions about tradition, wealth, or “media control,” that it is most often displayed by juveniles who don’t have too much free time, and that it is unlikely to result in restrictive laws, ghettoes, or pogroms in the next two years, I would accept that you are probably right. However, nothing in the linked articles indicates that the anti-semitism displayed originated among Muslim immigrants and simply denying reality hardly makes your point. Well, I would argue exactly what you’re arguing, about anti-semitism in the UK generally being about lack of understanding, etc. However, I’d also add that most people in the UK simply don’t think about Judaism enough to be anti it. The current scapegoat is Muslims (and, as always, the working class), and Jewish people are pretty much ignored. BTW, you said ‘nothing in the linked articles indicates that the anti-semitism displayed originated among Muslim immigrants and simply denying reality hardly makes your point.’ The Jewish school in that article was in Manchester; Manchester has a high number of Muslim residents, especially in its young people. In the 2001 census, 43% of the residents near the Jewish school in Manchester described themselves as Muslim. [Not sure this link will work - from the directgov site](http://neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/dissemination/LeadTableView.do?a=7&b=278226&c=M8+5DY&d=140&e=15&g=351380&i=1001x1003x1004&m=0&r=0&s=1348446932556&enc=1&dsFamilyId=17). It also gives the stats for other religions. Even if you made the reality-denying assumption that the Muslims in that area were evenly distributed across the ages, that means there are more Muslims near that school than any other religion. So yes, actually, there are fairly good odds that the kids harrassing the Jewish schoolkids are Muslim. Many Muslim Brits are only a generation or two from not being British, and, while I definitely do not think this means they’re not British (they are British), it does mean they’re growing up in a somewhat different culture to white CofE or Catholic Brits who mostly don’t care about religion, or to other minorities. I mean, if I moved to India and raised my kids there, they’d be raised in a somewhat different culture to other Indians too. Basically, the small increase in anti-semitism in Britain could be entirely down to the increase in the number of Muslims, although that’s not because because all Muslims are born hating Jews or anything ridiculous like that. Thanks to Israel and Palestine, there are fairly concrete reasons for strife between Muslims and Jews as well as good old-fashioned prejudice - and IME, immigrants and ex-pats tend to not only pack their prejudices with them but give them their own seat on the plane. This is very true of Brits abroad, btw; it’s a human thing, not tied to any religion or ethnicity. Plus, like I said, Muslims are the current scapegoat in the UK; it’s hardly surprising if this, in turn, results in more attacks by a tiny number of Muslims on the old enemy, Jews, who are a visible minority (when it comes to schools or synagogues or the significant Hassidic communities in places like London) and an easy target. And one person making 30 attacks counts as much in the stats as 30 people making 30 attacks. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/202 "2012-09-24T00:56:58Z")
[Perhaps this is one reason.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JA6vRC1xW_c) [Perhaps this is another.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRClRoKGRdU&feature=related) [This might be yet another reason.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkyuhCo4FAo) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/203 "2012-09-24T01:03:32Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > [Perhaps this is one reason.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JA6vRC1xW_c) > > [Perhaps this is another.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRClRoKGRdU&feature=related) > > [This might be yet another reason.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkyuhCo4FAo) I’m not Israelie, I’m not even particularly pro-Israel. I am Jewish. What do those links have to do with me and why it’s okay to hate me without having met me because of my ethnic heritage ? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/204 "2012-09-24T01:16:13Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > [Perhaps this is one reason.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JA6vRC1xW_c) > > [Perhaps this is another.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRClRoKGRdU&feature=related) > > [This might be yet another reason.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkyuhCo4FAo) No, those are the fallacies of composition and division, no different from saying that someone hates blacks because blacks are disproportionately represented in the crime statistics. All you’ve essentially said that is some people are racist against Jews because they use racist thought patterns. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/205 "2012-09-24T01:17:13Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > [Perhaps this is one reason.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JA6vRC1xW_c) I only looked at the first one but damn, she is hot. That reaffirms my faith in the Jewish people. I have no idea what she was saying because I don’t speak Hebrew and subtitles aren’t my thing but she sounds like she knows what she is talking about with that monkey. I thought Natalie Portman was the best example of a nice Jewish girl but I guess not. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/206 "2012-09-24T01:40:16Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > BTW, you said ‘nothing in the linked articles indicates that the anti-semitism displayed originated among Muslim immigrants and simply denying reality hardly makes your point.’ > > The Jewish school in that article was in Manchester; Manchester has a high number of Muslim residents, especially in its young people. In the 2001 census, 43% of the residents near the Jewish school in Manchester described themselves as Muslim. > . . . > > Even if you made the reality-denying assumption that the Muslims in that area were evenly distributed across the ages, that means there are more Muslims near that school than any other religion. So yes, actually, there are fairly good odds that the kids harrassing the Jewish schoolkids are Muslim. And yet, nothing in the article actually mentioned that the kids were anything more than local yobs. I am not claiming that they could not have been Mid-East immigrants. However, the story does not make that point and I can certainly recall incidents of ethnic conflict carried out by white kids in Detroit long after it had become a 70% or more black city. I do not deny the possibility that the kids were Muslim, but it seems odd that the author of the story would have suppressed that fact. > [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > [Perhaps this is one reason.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JA6vRC1xW_c) > > [Perhaps this is another.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRClRoKGRdU&feature=related) > > [This might be yet another reason.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkyuhCo4FAo) Wait a minute. You think that there is a world-wide hatred for Jews because, after 2,000 years of Christian-on-Jewish persecution, a few Jews in Israel, in events that hardly make the international news, engage in the same sort of mockery and hooliganism that continues to be a characteristic of some number of Christians? Odd belief, that. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/207 "2012-09-24T08:15:44Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > And yet, nothing in the article actually mentioned that the kids were anything more than local yobs. I am not claiming that they could not have been Mid-East immigrants. However, the story does not make that point and I can certainly recall incidents of ethnic conflict carried out by white kids in Detroit long after it had become a 70% or more black city. > > I do not deny the possibility that the kids were Muslim, but it seems odd that the author of the story would have suppressed that fact. > > Wait a minute. You think that there is a world-wide hatred for Jews because, after 2,000 years of Christian-on-Jewish persecution, a few Jews in Israel, in events that hardly make the international news, engage in the same sort of mockery and hooliganism that continues to be a characteristic of some number of Christians? > > Odd belief, that. It certainly could have been white kids, but based on the local demographics, it just would be much more likely to be kids from muslim families (not immigrants - not sure where you get that from - and it’s very unlikely their families are from the middle east - more likely pakistan in that area). The statistics for these things are a little misleading, in some ways; direct gov says my area is only 36% muslim, but also that all the secondary schools are over 90% muslim, which fits with my experience of these schools. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/208 "2012-09-24T08:47:22Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > They’re just an easy target; a small but famous group that’s assertively insular and resistant to assimilation, has been forced to live in many places, and has been picked on by the world’s two major religious groups. > > Who else do you pick on, really? There aren’t many Zoroastrians around. You’ve got other small religious groups but they don’t have the geographic spread or historical bona fides. There is much truth in this. The orthodox Jews dress in a funny way and engage in practices that put them in the public eye - such as walking to Temple every Saturday. They are easy to see every Saturday. But there are other reasons and at least one of them is very key. Unfortunately, I’m not certain what it is. But I know something about how it develops. Here are some stories about some young boys that I grew up with and who somehow had many anti-Jewish things to say when they were just 8 or 9 years old. The boys I grew up with lived in an area with a high percentage of Jews in its population and although they didn’t know hardly anything about Jews, they were always quick with a stupid joke or hurtful remark. Here are some examples. One kid who was a real jerk was a renowned bully. His name was Glenn. He would enjoy beating up on kids two years younger than him and he had plenty to choose from because at age 11, we were in a class with him because he had been put back twice and so he was aged 13 and must have been very angry at having to be in a class with kids who were two years younger than him and everybody knew he was a dummy who had to be put back two different times. Glenn would always delight in finding a Jewish kid and telling them that he had just bought something that the seller wanted to sell for $5 but he “Jewed them down” to $3. He would use the word “Jew” as a verb in several ways. He would often refer to Moses and Matzah balls and knew just enough about both of them to make insulting statements. For example, if the kids were playing baseball and one kid had trouble hitting the ball, he would say something stupid like, “Just pretend it’s a Matzah ball and you’ll be able to hit it a lot easier.” Glenn also had jokes and riddles, such as: “Jew are OK in their place. You know where that is? In the ovens.” He had no friends for obvious reasons. Even other kids who were clearly anti-Semetic wanted nothing to do with him. When they made arrangements to go to a dance, he was never included. I guess it must be obvious that he never even came close to getting into any college or university and after we all graduated from High School, no one ever saw him again. Glenn was a real fool. The only thing he could do well was beat up and bully kids who were two years his junior. The one thing he loved above all others was football. I’d like to tell you a story that still gives me a chuckle whenever I think of it. It was wonderful. It was the final year of high school and we had a pretty decent boys senior football team. The only position the coach would let Glenn play was Flanker and there was only one play where he got to touch the ball and that was one called the “Flea Flicker”. It is a kind of trick play where the quarterback gets the ball and hands it or tosses it to the flanker who then begins to run to fool the defense and then tosses it back to the quarterback who then passes it. When it is done correctly, the defense all get fooled into thinking it is a running play when in fact, it becomes a passing play. Well, it was late in the final quarter and the score was tied and all of a sudden, Glen became very excited and very agitated and started to repeat the phrase in the huddle, “Flea Flicker!” “Flea Flicker!” “Flea Flicker!” Well, for some reason, the quarterback, (who was Jewish), assented and called that play and this was Glenn’s big chance for glory. Naturally, he fumbled the ball and a defender picked it up and ran it in for a touchdown. Glen was completely hapless and unable to do anything to stop him. He didn’t even try. Remember the scene from The Godfather when they try to assassinate Marlon Brando and his idiot son just fumbles with his gun and drops it? Well, it was like that. It was just about the most humiliating thing possible that anyone who claims to love football could possible have happen to themselves. The rest of the team all laughed at him and it was a beautiful moment that we all enjoyed. Losing the game was no big tragedy because there were no playoffs or anything. It was the last game of the season - win or lose. So it didn’t really matter. But everybody forever remembered Glenn as the hapless idiot who cost us the game and it was a great moment for the laws of Karma to pay him back for all his stupid misdeeds. The people who were in charge of editing the yearbook (momst of whom were Jewish) took great delight in assigning him the nickname of “Butterfingers”. He didn’t show his face for several days after the yearbook was published. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/209 "2012-09-24T12:30:50Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I’m not Israelie, I’m not even particularly pro-Israel. I am Jewish. What do those links have to do with me and why it’s okay to hate me without having met me because of my ethnic heritage ? (shrug) Never said it was okay to hate you just because you’re a Jew. I merely wanted to point out that there are many Jews who are every bit as prejudiced and hateful as they accuse Christians of being. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/210 "2012-09-24T12:51:22Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Wait a minute. You think that there is a world-wide hatred for Jews because, after 2,000 years of Christian-on-Jewish persecution, a few Jews in Israel, in events that hardly make the international news, engage in the same sort of mockery and hooliganism that continues to be a characteristic of some number of Christians? > > Odd belief, that. :rolleyes: Careful with that straw man, it might be a fire hazard. Animosity between Christians and Jews was quite mutual, and the Jews are not quite the totally innocent victims they claim to be. Anyone interested in the subject ought to read Benjamin Ginsberg’s [The Fatal Embrace: Jews and the State.](http://www.amazon.com/The-Fatal-Embrace-Jews-State/dp/0226296660) His argument in a nutshell is that much of the hostility towards Jews comes from their centuries-long association with repressive states, often imposed by conquerors (e.g. Muslim states imposed on Spanish Christians) and with communism. It isn’t a perfect book–what book is?–but it certainly gives a much more nuanced view of the subject than the simple-minded “Christians hate Jews because they’re jealous” theory that seems to be pretty popular on this thread. ---
**Author:** ![hibernicus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hibernicus/32/2802_2.png) [@hibernicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hibernicus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/211 "2012-09-24T13:00:45Z")
I find the thread title pretty offensive. There is a reasonable question to ask: “Why do people still hate Jews?” and following on from that: “what can be done to reduce the amount of anti-Semitism in the world?” But instead the OP chose to phrase the question in a way that sneakily says “we Americans are so enlightened, so immune from prejudice and bigotry, it’s hard for us with our pure minds to comprehend the ignorance and hate in which everyone else is sadly mired.” Reading the question phrased in this way, far from making me want to confront the issue of anti-Semitism and attitudes to Jews, my first reaction was a wish to defend my own country against what I perceive as a nasty, holier-than-thou accusation. So, you know what? I don’t think it’s true that Irish people hate Jews. That’s just based on my own experience of living in Ireland my whole life, and Jew-hating just not being “a thing”. It just wasn’t on my radar in the Ireland of the 1980s and 1990s. I’m sure there are lots of people harbouring anti-Semitic opinions and prejudices of one kind or another, mainly dating back to Catholic anti-Semitism of the “Christ-killers” variety (although I never hear such opinions voiced, and would be quite surprised); on the other hand we have a fine record of Jewish elected representatives (including our current Minister for Justice), which seems to rule out a very widespread antipathy to Jews. So that’s my anecdotal, no-doubt biased and not very scientific contribution to the discussion. Just wanted to get that off my chest. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/212 "2012-09-24T14:00:54Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > [Perhaps this is one reason.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JA6vRC1xW_c) Wait, people hate Jews because hot bikini-clad Jewish babes crucify toy monkeys?!? Makes sense to me. 😃 Oh wait, it totally doesn’t. 😕 Isn’t this the same sort of thinking that some Muslim extremists use - that some asshole posting an offensive Youtube clip slandering Mohammed “justifies” murdering a US Ambassador, rioting, etc.? ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/213 "2012-09-24T14:45:11Z")
> [@hibernicus](#): > > I find the thread title pretty offensive. There is a reasonable question to ask: “Why do people still hate Jews?” and following on from that: “what can be done to reduce the amount of anti-Semitism in the world?” > > But instead the OP chose to phrase the question in a way that sneakily says "we Americans are so enlightened, so immune from prejudice and bigotry, it’s hard for us with our pure minds to comprehend the ignorance and hate in which everyone else is sadly mired. I am the OP and I wrote it that way for a reason. There is nothing hinting about enlightenment in the OP or at least none was intended. I can rephrase it another way if it will make you feel better. Americans have serious problems accepting lots of different minority groups into the mainstream. Jews don’t tend to be among those as evidenced by the mass migration of Jews to the U.S., their influence in lots of different fields, and U.S. support for Israel. Other countries scattered all over the world still single out Jews as a minority group to target. Why is there such a difference in perception and reactions Jews get in the U.S. as opposed to other countries? ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/214 "2012-09-24T14:52:45Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > Oh wait, it totally doesn’t. 😕 > > Isn’t this the same sort of thinking that some Muslim extremists use - that some asshole posting an offensive Youtube clip slandering Mohammed “justifies” murdering a US Ambassador, rioting, etc.? No, it’s not. It’s simply an example of Jewish hostility to Christians. A minority isn’t necessarily in the right merely because it’s a minority. ---
**Author:** ![Simple\_Linctus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Simple\_Linctus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simple_Linctus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/215 "2012-09-24T15:16:59Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > I am the OP and I wrote it that way for a reason. There is nothing hinting about enlightenment in the OP or at least none was intended. I can rephrase it another way if it will make you feel better. Americans have serious problems accepting lots of different minority groups into the mainstream. Jews don’t tend to be among those as evidenced by the mass migration of Jews to the U.S., their influence in lots of different fields, and U.S. support for Israel. Other countries scattered all over the world still single out Jews as a minority group to target. Why is there such a difference in perception and reactions Jews get in the U.S. as opposed to other countries? Again, 90% of it is one of the following: \*Catholicism \*Islam \*Orthodox Christianity Back in the day, a lot higher % would have been the prodestants as well, starting with Luther himself. But now that is less relevant as the countries where it was relevant more or less burnt out their anti semitism during an incident in the 30s and 40s. Trace the history of those three religions in the countries in which you find the anti semitic incidents and especially how they were used by local rabble rousers and so on and you find the answer. The attitude of some posters in this thread basically betrays an americo-centric way of looking at the world, where jews are well represented in popular culture and thus thought about more often. Most countries the normal person never think about jews and would have no reason to care one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/216 "2012-09-24T16:17:40Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > No, it’s not. It’s simply an example of Jewish hostility to Christians. A minority isn’t necessarily in the right merely because it’s a minority. Some wacky clip of unknown provinence of a bikini babe crucifying a toy monkey is not an example of anything. Other than that someone out there had the bad taste to produce it. The thinking that somehow “Jews” can be tagged with this is exactly the same thinking as that “Americans” can be tagged with dissing the Prophet because of that lame Muslim-hating clip posted on Youtube. Except your clip is, one must admit, somewhat more surreal. 😃 I mean seriously, it’s a bikini babe crucifying a toy monkey. Not exactly your standard children’s show. Who was the intended audience one wonders? ---
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/217 "2012-09-24T16:29:56Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > Some wacky clip of unknown provinence of a bikini babe crucifying a toy monkey is not an example of anything. Other than that someone out there had the bad taste to produce it. > > The thinking that somehow “Jews” can be tagged with this is exactly the same thinking as that “Americans” can be tagged with dissing the Prophet because of that lame Muslim-hating clip posted on Youtube. > > Except your clip is, one must admit, somewhat more surreal. 😃 I mean seriously, it’s a bikini babe crucifying a toy monkey. Not exactly your standard children’s show. Who was the intended audience one wonders? Ah, people? It’s a **satirical** show. Think “The Onion” in TV format, or an off-color-off-the-wall version of South Park, OK? > **[Flattire, or Whamsy](https://www.metafilter.com/110331/Flattire-or-Whamsy)** > > In 2007, an Israeli cable station produced a show that parodied kid's educational tv with over-the-top racism, sexism, you-name-it-ism--kind of what South Park would be like if it were less... [http://my.firedoglake.com/edwardteller/2011/04/23/feeling-the-hate-on-easter-eve-israeli-kids-program-crucifies-a-mock-jesus/](http://my.firedoglake.com/edwardteller/2011/04/23/feeling-the-hate-on-easter-eve-israeli-kids-program-crucifies-a-mock-jesus/) ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/218 "2012-09-24T16:31:49Z")
Heh, some googling determines that the clip is a purposfully offensive parody, making fun from an extreme left-wing stance of the alleged racism of Israeli society and of its state educational TV. [http://my.firedoglake.com/edwardteller/tag/television/](http://my.firedoglake.com/edwardteller/tag/television/) > [@](#): > > It’s a parody of some of the shows on Israeli state Educational TV, especially in the ’60s and ’70s (some of the sketches are even in black and white, for added effect). The messages are unashamedly racist (against Arabs, Mizrahim, Christians, etc.), chauvinist and violent, holding up a mirror to Israeli society as it were (albeit from a safe distance – placing such attitudes somewhere in the past). The show’s creator describes its political orientation as “socialist-pacifist”. > [@](#): > > The programme is produced and broadcast by the privately-owned Bip channel, not state-run Educational TV. The Ed TV symbol, music and “feel” is part of the programme’s shtick – voice of the brainwashing, racist, consumerist, sexist (hence the girl in the bikini), warmongering establishment. Poor taste, blood, and provocations of all kinds are also part of the shtick. > > Here’s an interview (Hebrew) with the programme’s creator –[http://www.mouse.co.il/CM.articles\_item,789,209,18794,.aspx](http://www.mouse.co.il/CM.articles_item,789,209,18794,.aspx) – who says he was inspired by Team America and Southpark. In short, **LonesomePolecat** , you have been had. You have mistaken parody for reality, along the lines of the time the Chinese Government got into a huff over _The Onion_. 😃 Edit: Ninja’d by **Noone Special**. D’oh. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/219 "2012-09-24T16:35:35Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > Except your clip is, one must admit, somewhat more surreal. 😃 I mean seriously, it’s a bikini babe crucifying a toy monkey. Not exactly your standard children’s show. Who was the intended audience one wonders? AFAIU, it was a private production on an obscure private cable channel that was supposed to be a satire/parody of Israeli children shows but with some deliberately offensive content. The creator of the show describes himself as “pacifist socialist” and from his writings is an extreme leftist. Just shows you how stupid some “pacifist socialists” can be. See his article at [http://www.mouse.co.il/CM.articles\_item,789,209,18794,.aspx](http://www.mouse.co.il/CM.articles_item,789,209,18794,.aspx) - although it is in Hebrew. See if someone can translate it for you. In the first show, for example, the gorilla “explained” that US invaded Iraq because George Bush and all Americans drink oil and Iraqi children blood. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/220 "2012-09-24T16:51:31Z")
Anyway, I take back what I said above about this being the equivalent of some Muslims upset over that youtube clip dissing the Prophet. It is actually far sillier than that … 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131.md?page=12)