# Why are Jews still hated so much around the world outside of the U.S.? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 19, 2012, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131 "2012-09-19T01:36:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Untoward\_Parable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Untoward\_Parable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Untoward_Parable)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2012, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/401 "2012-09-28T19:14:32Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > Note that the topic is “why are Jews still hated so much around the world outside of the US?” Unless this California you speak of is “outside of the US”, I doubt your observation undermines the OP. 😉 Ah I suppose that’s true. Kind of hard for me to comment with a lot of confidence on that aspect. As I don’t have direct experience with those populations. If you want to ask about why much of the Muslim world hates Jews it’s partly those parts that are insanely, fascistically religiously homogeneous that use Jews and the West as a motivational tool to manipulate their populations and partly due to the actions of the state of Israel and n it’s defense by the US and the US allied international community. You can argue about whether it’s correct or not but most of the middle east population consider the US and their ally Israel to be the greatest threat to their economic security and national security. In Europe the dislike comes from old anti-semitism, a small population of jews to makes themselves familiar and opinions about Israel. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2012, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/402 "2012-09-29T11:32:14Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > Any sleepless nights over Iraqi war? > > Didn’t think so… :rolleyes: Idon’t believe the war with Iraq was necessary,and caused us a lot of money,and still is, plus the rising up of the terrorists in the region.So many lives lost. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2012, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/403 "2012-09-29T11:48:50Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > I am the OP and I wrote it that way for a reason. There is nothing hinting about enlightenment in the OP or at least none was intended. I can rephrase it another way if it will make you feel better. Americans have serious problems accepting lots of different minority groups into the mainstream. Jews don’t tend to be among those as evidenced by the mass migration of Jews to the U.S., their influence in lots of different fields, and U.S. support for Israel. Other countries scattered all over the world still single out Jews as a minority group to target. Why is there such a difference in perception and reactions Jews get in the U.S. as opposed to other countries? The UK hasn’t supported Israel? Where did the Balfour Declaration come from? The US? And Jews are very prominent in the UK in relation to their numbers. BTW heard of Disraeli? Care to name some Jewish Presidents of the USA? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2012, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/404 "2012-09-29T22:10:20Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > The UK hasn’t supported Israel? Where did the Balfour Declaration come from? The US? The Balfour Decleration is nearly 100 years old. We’re discussing current events. Moreover, the motivation for the decleration wasn’t due to Judeaphilia but due to the belief that Jewish Americans were influential enough to push Wilson into joining the war. Additionally, within a few years, the British government regretted the decision, it’s representatives in Palestine became openly hostile to the Palestinian Jews, and in 1948, they refused to even vote for the creation of Israel at the UN. > [@](#): > > BTW heard of Disraeli? Care to name some Jewish Presidents of the USA? Disraeli regularly faced numerous anti-Semitic attacks, but he was no more Jewish than Barry Goldwater or Caspar Weinberger. He was an Anglican. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/405 "2012-09-30T14:39:01Z")
Well, yeah, but neither Goldwater nor Weinberger were ever actually the US’ head of government. [QUOTE=FinnAgain] Some folks unashamedly support anti-Semitic nonsense, like claiming that Jews are clannish and look out for other Jews first and foremost. The negative repercussions of anti-Semitic views like that can be felt in a number of arenas, even though they don’t lead to violence in the streets. [/QUOTE] I think you have to distinguish between “looking out for other Jews” and “looking out for Israel”. I think it’s pretty obvious that there are numerous one-issue Jewish voters in the US (not that I have a problem with that), but I can’t think of anyone ever who goes in the first group. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/406 "2012-09-30T14:47:27Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, yeah, but neither Goldwater nor Weinberger were ever actually the US’ head of government. Nor were either of them Jewish. Nor was Disraeli. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/407 "2012-09-30T14:49:32Z")
What? He wasn’t a practicing Jew. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t Jewish (by Judaism’s own mores). ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/408 "2012-09-30T15:04:29Z")
Does someone get to renounce their “Jewishness”? I read somewhere that Disraeli was a convert to Chistianity. So was he a Christian, or a Jew, or both? I know the Nazis wouldn’t paid the slightest attention to a conversion – in their eye it was an ancestry/racial thing. But what about in Israel? Is someone who was Jewish still considered so after “accepting Jesus blahblahblah” and getting baptized? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/409 "2012-09-30T15:08:59Z")
Jewish law holds that anyone born to a Jewish mother is Jewish, but I gather this view is more widely held among Orthodox Jews than Reform. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/410 "2012-09-30T15:11:46Z")
What if your mother converts to Christianity, or was converted before you were born? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/411 "2012-09-30T15:17:41Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > What? He wasn’t a practicing Jew. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t Jewish (by Judaism’s own mores). If you’re a practicing Christian then you’re not Jewish, just as if you’re a practicing Christian you’re not a Muslim. More to the point, had he been a practicing Jew he’d never been elected and being an Anglican is what allowed him to survive the anti-Semitic attacks. > [@](#): > > **Boyo Jim** > Does someone get to renounce their “Jewishness”? I read somewhere that Disraeli was a convert to Chistianity. So was he a Christian, or a Jew, or both? I know the Nazis wouldn’t paid the slightest attention to a conversion – in their eye it was an ancestry/racial thing. But what about in Israel? Is someone who was Jewish still considered so after “accepting Jesus blahblahblah” and getting baptized? No, Israel specifically declares that people practicing a religion other than Judaism aren’t Jews. Christopher Hitchens and Harrison Ford may have had Jewish mothers, but as far as Israel is concerned, they’re not Jews(and I don’t think either has ever claimed they were). ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/412 "2012-09-30T15:22:08Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > If you’re a practicing Christian then you’re not Jewish, just as if you’re a practicing Christian you’re not a Muslim. Unlike Christianity or Islam, “Jewish” is an ethnic identifier, not just a religion. > [@](#): > > No, Israel specifically declares that people practicing a religion other than Judaism aren’t Jews. Sure, but Israeli policy is hardly the last word on who’s Jewish (except in the context of the right of return). ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2012, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/413 "2012-09-30T16:42:56Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Unlike Christianity or Islam, “Jewish” is an ethnic identifier, not just a religion. “ethnic” is a modern term. From the Islamic POV, Islam is something you’re born into or can join. Similarly, Christian Arabs would feel the same. The idea of religion being something you choose is a more modern view that came about during the Protestant Reformation. There’s reason in the Middle up until the early 20th Century people were always identified an identified themselves by their religion. People didn’t call themselves “Arabs” or “Kurds” but “Muslims”. Calling someone an “Arab” or a “Turk” in the 19th Century would have been considered an insult since there were really negative connotations associated with that term. Similarly the Grandparents of today’s Palestinian leaders would have been confused had you or I labeled them “Palestinians”. The idea of “ethnicity” or “nationalism” was a European import to the region largely promoted by the Christians in the region to try and create unity between them and there Muslim counterparts. As it is, in the Middle East, religious identification seems to be stronger than “ethnic identity” since Shia Arabs seem to feel more or an alliance with Shia Persians than Sunni Arabs and neither tend to get along with Christian Arabs(who’ve been fleeing the Middle East in droves). I should add that its not just Muslim Arabs who’ve done a good job at making Christians want to leave as has been shown in Israel/Palestine. ---
**Author:** ![vectorsdog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/5fc32e/32.png) [@vectorsdog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vectorsdog)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2012, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/414 "2012-10-06T18:02:08Z")
Racism is still not a concept that is morally shunned in much of the world. ---
**Author:** ![fatherchristmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fatherchristmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fatherchristmas)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2013, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/415 "2013-12-27T05:37:27Z")
The Jews are hated because of their pattern of behavior throughout history. They arrive somewhere, infiltrate the country, eventually until everyone is uncomfortable, and then when war comes, they don’t fight, and instead sell out their host country. They are presently engaged in the ‘sell-out’ phase of America. They sold out the Germans in World War I in exchange for Palestine (The Germans did not take kindly). They simply don’t know when to stop. They position themselves wherever there happens to be power and influence. Some of them openly brag about subjugating Gentiles, and how they dream of stomping the Gentiles out of existence. But they also want to stomp the Muslims out of existence. And they have used the United States to wage two wars in this effort. For a small group, their influence is vast. In America they control just about everything through films, mass media, finance, law, medicine, education and politics. Don’t be fooled into thinking they don’t control anything, or their domination is just a consequence of them all being ‘Mensches.’ Some of them are, but many are not. Their secret is that they don’t give a shit about the consequences. When you don’t care who you fuck over (especially if it is a Gentile) you can do anything. Feeling like you’re the ‘Chosen One’ (a mental disorder in any other context) is very helpful too. Being obsessed with money and naturally manic is also a big bonus. Don’t get me wrong, there are good Jews. They have made outstanding contributions to art and science and medicine. Almost as many as the Gentiles. Not bad for 2% of the population. But much of it has to do with subjugating and infiltrating the nation for the purpose of eventually selling that nation out. Because this is the repeating pattern. If we looked at the 120 or so places the Jews have been kicked out of since Biblical times, we see this same show played out over and over. They seem to be unable to do something different. Their nature has been essential in civilizing the world, but it has come at the expense of many. They have been behind major world events and wars, having dominated the financial infrastructure of the most powerful nation on earth. They turn up in every major historical drama. But most importantly they are actively trying to destroy the Gentile’s family, religion and sense of pride through total control of what the Gentile reads, watches and hears. Not only that, but what the Gentile’s child reads, watches and hears in school. There are very few Jews in prison and very few unemployed Jews. Most of society’s pitfalls seem to be uniquely ‘Gentile’ problems. The blacks hate Jews because the Jews control the image of the African-american in U.S. mass media. They write the articles, host the talk shows, produce the programs, hire the journalists, produce the commercials, everything. ALL SIX MAJOR FILM COMPANIES are owned by Jews. They are responsible for much more of society’s ills than they would have you believe. And they control what you believe. So it’s a pretty shitty position in America right now, not being Jewish. But that will change once they push too far. They already have, and it will unravel for them soon enough. And unfortunately a lot of good Jews will take the heat for the greed and immorality of a few bad Jews. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2013, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/416 "2013-12-27T05:46:14Z")
> [@fatherchristmas](#): > > The Jews are hated because of their pattern of behavior throughout history. They arrive somewhere, infiltrate the country, eventually until everyone is uncomfortable, and then when war comes, they don’t fight, and instead sell out their host country. They are presently engaged in the ‘sell-out’ phase of America. No, that’s the lizard people. > [@fatherchristmas](#): > > Their nature has been essential in civilizing the world, but it has come at the expense of many. They have been behind major world events and wars, having dominated the financial infrastructure of the most powerful nation on earth. They turn up in every major historical drama. Nope, _that’s_ the Illuminati. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2013, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/417 "2013-12-27T05:55:05Z")
> [@fatherchristmas](#): > > The Jews are hated because of their pattern of behavior throughout history. They arrive somewhere, infiltrate the country, eventually until everyone is uncomfortable, and then when war comes, they don’t fight, and instead sell out their host country. They are presently engaged in the ‘sell-out’ phase of America. > > They sold out the Germans in World War I in exchange for Palestine (The Germans did not take kindly). > > They simply don’t know when to stop. They position themselves wherever there happens to be power and influence. Some of them openly brag about subjugating Gentiles, and how they dream of stomping the Gentiles out of existence. But they also want to stomp the Muslims out of existence. And they have used the United States to wage two wars in this effort. > > For a small group, their influence is vast. In America they control just about everything through films, mass media, finance, law, medicine, education and politics. Don’t be fooled into thinking they don’t control anything, or their domination is just a consequence of them all being ‘Mensches.’ Some of them are, but many are not. > > Their secret is that they don’t give a shit about the consequences. When you don’t care who you fuck over (especially if it is a Gentile) you can do anything. Feeling like you’re the ‘Chosen One’ (a mental disorder in any other context) is very helpful too. Being obsessed with money and naturally manic is also a big bonus. > > Don’t get me wrong, there are good Jews. They have made outstanding contributions to art and science and medicine. Almost as many as the Gentiles. Not bad for 2% of the population. But much of it has to do with subjugating and infiltrating the nation for the purpose of eventually selling that nation out. Because this is the repeating pattern. If we looked at the 120 or so places the Jews have been kicked out of since Biblical times, we see this same show played out over and over. They seem to be unable to do something different. > > Their nature has been essential in civilizing the world, but it has come at the expense of many. They have been behind major world events and wars, having dominated the financial infrastructure of the most powerful nation on earth. They turn up in every major historical drama. > > But most importantly they are actively trying to destroy the Gentile’s family, religion and sense of pride through total control of what the Gentile reads, watches and hears. Not only that, but what the Gentile’s child reads, watches and hears in school. > > There are very few Jews in prison and very few unemployed Jews. Most of society’s pitfalls seem to be uniquely ‘Gentile’ problems. The blacks hate Jews because the Jews control the image of the African-american in U.S. mass media. They write the articles, host the talk shows, produce the programs, hire the journalists, produce the commercials, everything. ALL SIX MAJOR FILM COMPANIES are owned by Jews. > > They are responsible for much more of society’s ills than they would have you believe. And they control what you believe. So it’s a pretty shitty position in America right now, not being Jewish. But that will change once they push too far. They already have, and it will unravel for them soon enough. And unfortunately a lot of good Jews will take the heat for the greed and immorality of a few bad Jews. Thanks. Damn. I didn’t know _any_ of this stuff. _shakes fist at Jews_ ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2013, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/418 "2013-12-27T06:04:13Z")
Ya know… I’ve been wondering how on Earth I’m going to afford going back to school for a Ph.D. It’s been tough, and depressing, and I really needed a pick-me-up. And here, on the Dope, I can read about how I already have a good shot at controlling the world. Why, I just need to get in touch with the greater Jewish community and see who can let me in on the plot. Hot damn. Why stop at going back to grad school when I could rule the very minds of gentile minions? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2013, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/419 "2013-12-27T06:12:53Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > And here, on the Dope, I can read about how I already have a good shot at controlling the world. Why, I just need to get in touch with the greater Jewish community and see who can let me in on the plot. > > Hot damn. Why stop at going back to grad school when I could rule the very minds of gentile minions? You’ll have to grow a goatee though. And don’t forget to practice templing your fingers while gloating villainously. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2013, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/420 "2013-12-27T06:17:27Z")
I have a beard so I can blend in. It’s like a goatee… in disguise. I’ve also been advised by my rabbi to keep quiet and to murder any gentiles who start asking too ma… Er, that is, I’ve been advised by my rabbi to keep quiet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131.md?page=22)