# Why are Jews still hated so much around the world outside of the U.S.? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 19, 2012, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131 "2012-09-19T01:36:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2013, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/461 "2013-12-28T13:02:13Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > The Jews got him. Sad but inevitable. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/462 "2013-12-29T03:06:43Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > You can have my bacon and mayo when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers! Since when is mayo not kosher? (hold the bacon) ---
**Author:** ![RickG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rickg/32/5174_2.png) [@RickG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickG)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/463 "2013-12-29T04:19:32Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Since when is mayo not kosher? And proper mayo is _pareve_, so it’s fine on meat _or_ cheese sandwiches. …But never on pastrami, and only on corned beef as a component of Russian dressing. These rules are not a matter of _kashrut_, but of correct condiment use. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/464 "2013-12-29T14:55:54Z")
You can have my Wonder Bread when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers! ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/465 "2013-12-29T15:51:44Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Since when is mayo not kosher? It’s one of the original bitter herbs of the Old Testament. Miracle Whip and Wonder Bread, however, are false prophecies of the Kenite opossum-spawn. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/466 "2013-12-29T23:16:33Z")
I have not tried opossum spawn on my sandwiches, but it is a fair description of Miracle Whip. ---
**Author:** ![QueenOfClubs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/53a042/32.png) [@QueenOfClubs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QueenOfClubs)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/467 "2013-12-31T10:26:12Z")
I’m in. You can have my opossum spawn when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers! ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/468 "2013-12-31T14:43:42Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > It’s one of the original bitter herbs of the Old Testament. > > Miracle Whip and Wonder Bread, however, are false prophecies of the Kenite opossum-spawn. Someone’s been watching Arnold Murray! ---
**Author:** ![Lust4Life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lust4Life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lust4Life)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/469 "2014-01-08T12:03:04Z")
I think that the hatred of Jews, apart from the obvious, killed Jesus etc. propogated by Christian Churches, is from neo Nazis who probably don’t really know why they should hate Jews, but their hero Hitler did, and the Germans wore cool uniforms, so they do anyway . Secondly the campaign by M/E groups that really, really don’t like having a Western style liberal democracy in the proximity of their medieval, totaliarian states . And finally, sheer jealousy . In spite of being one of the worst persecuted groups in history, they are incredibly high achievers in proportion to their numbers, in schooling, business, science etc. Other groups who have routinely used persecution as an excuse for their routine underperformance in everyday life, get offended by this as it undermines their rationalisation for failure. They feel that its unfair and that somehow the Jews have robbed them in some way, because otherwise how can the Jews achieve in adversity while their own group habitually fails ? Its not just Whitey who can be Racist . And no I’m not a Jew myself . ---
**Author:** ![Marmite\_Lover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Marmite\_Lover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marmite_Lover)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/470 "2014-01-08T12:23:27Z")
Jews historically have been seen as traitors no matter what community they lived in. They are well know as the money changers and money lenders and therefore currency manipulators ( check the bible) and weapons makers. When it came to weapons making they supplied BOTH sides in any conflict and were often the traitors giving away enemy secrets to the other side because they had access as their suppliers. There are famous stories about their tribes doing this in middle east. Even today they are doing the same things so therefore cannot be trusted as allies or enemies. More recently the hatred has intensified because of them taking a land from the Palestinian Muslims and Christians with British and American help. Their whole existence they have been reviled. Even in the bible God himself gave up in the end on them. What more proof is needed. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/471 "2014-01-08T12:38:56Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > This is something I have never understood. There are only about 14 million Jews in the world out of a population of about 7 billion (or less than 0.2% of the world population) yet they seem to be the focus of a disproportionate amount of world conflicts both today and historically. Speaking as a U.S. citizen, it makes no sense whatsoever. Jews have thrived in the U.S. and contributed a tremendous amount to many disciplines since the U.S unofficially adopted them. They are so mainstream in American society that even evangelical Christians defend them and support Israel with real money and lives at stake. > > I am most curious about Europe and why they have had so many terminal conflicts with Jews over the years including an attempted genocide. I still hear anti-semitic comments coming from people I know personally even in England even though hardly any Jews live there today. [There simply aren’t that many Jews outside of the U.S. and Israel today.](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html) Over 80% of Jews worldwide live in just these two countries. > > To answer this question, you are going to have to break out of any current PC thinking and just tell it straight like it came from the mouth of Nazi even if you don’t believe it yourself. People don’t try to commit genocide without some hardcore hatred against the people they are targeting. What was it for the Jews and why do many people even outside of Islamic countries still harbor some of that hatred to this day? As I understand it, Evangelicals want them to unite because they believe that if the Jewish temple is built again, then Jesus will come again. But they do not seem to translate Matthew’s writing that Jesus said he would come in his father’s glory with his angels before some of the people standing there listening to him saw death! ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/472 "2014-01-08T12:44:55Z")
> [@Marmite\_Lover](#): > > Jews historically have been seen as traitors no matter what community they lived in. They are well know as the money changers and money lenders and therefore currency manipulators ( check the bible) and weapons makers. When it came to weapons making they supplied BOTH sides in any conflict and were often the traitors giving away enemy secrets to the other side because they had access as their suppliers. There are famous stories about their tribes doing this in middle east. Even today they are doing the same things so therefore cannot be trusted as allies or enemies. > More recently the hatred has intensified because of them taking a land from the Palestinian Muslims and Christians with British and American help. > Their whole existence they have been reviled. Even in the bible God himself gave up in the end on them. What more proof is needed. What more proof is needed? How about any proof at all. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/473 "2014-01-08T13:37:00Z")
The part about the weapons makers is true. You should see the cool catapult I built in my basement. If I could just figure out a way to move it outdoors… ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/474 "2014-01-08T13:38:46Z")
> [@Marmite\_Lover](#): > > Jews historically have been seen as traitors no matter what community they lived in. They are well know as the money changers and money lenders and therefore currency manipulators ( check the bible) and weapons makers. When it came to weapons making they supplied BOTH sides in any conflict and were often the traitors giving away enemy secrets to the other side because they had access as their suppliers. There are famous stories about their tribes doing this in middle east. Even today they are doing the same things so therefore cannot be trusted as allies or enemies. > More recently the hatred has intensified because of them taking a land from the Palestinian Muslims and Christians with British and American help. > Their whole existence they have been reviled. Even in the bible God himself gave up in the end on them. What more proof is needed. If you ignore that nearly everything you wrote is wrong, and you squint a little and hold your nose, you might have a point. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/475 "2014-01-08T15:05:19Z")
> [@Marmite\_Lover](#): > > Jews historically have been seen as traitors no matter what community they lived in. They are well know as the money changers and money lenders and therefore currency manipulators ( check the bible) and weapons makers. When it came to weapons making they supplied BOTH sides in any conflict and were often the traitors giving away enemy secrets to the other side because they had access as their suppliers. There are famous stories about their tribes doing this in middle east. Even today they are doing the same things so therefore cannot be trusted as allies or enemies. > More recently the hatred has intensified because of them taking a land from the Palestinian Muslims and Christians with British and American help. > Their whole existence they have been reviled. Even in the bible God himself gave up in the end on them. What more proof is needed. You waited three years to post that? I can only assume the supporting research you’ll be posting later is irrefutable. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/476 "2014-01-08T16:29:55Z")
> [@Marmite\_Lover](#): > > Even today they are doing the same things so therefore cannot be trusted as allies or enemies. It’s sad day when you can’t trust your enemies, I’ll give you that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/477 "2014-01-08T16:58:33Z")
> [@Marmite\_Lover](#): > > Jews historically have been seen as traitors no matter what community they lived in. They are well know as the money changers and money lenders and therefore currency manipulators ( check the bible) and weapons makers. When it came to weapons making they supplied BOTH sides in any conflict and were often the traitors giving away enemy secrets to the other side because they had access as their suppliers. There are famous stories about their tribes doing this in middle east. Even today they are doing the same things so therefore cannot be trusted as allies or enemies. > More recently the hatred has intensified because of them taking a land from the Palestinian Muslims and Christians with British and American help. > Their whole existence they have been reviled. Even in the bible God himself gave up in the end on them. What more proof is needed. Mel Gibson, is that you? Or does he prefer Vegemite? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/478 "2014-01-08T17:19:33Z")
> [@Marmite\_Lover](#): > > Jews historically have been seen as traitors no matter what community they lived in. They are well know as the money changers and money lenders and therefore currency manipulators ( check the bible) and weapons makers. When it came to weapons making they supplied BOTH sides in any conflict and were often the traitors giving away enemy secrets to the other side because they had access as their suppliers. There are famous stories about their tribes doing this in middle east. Even today they are doing the same things so therefore cannot be trusted as allies or enemies. > More recently the hatred has intensified because of them taking a land from the Palestinian Muslims and Christians with British and American help. > Their whole existence they have been reviled. Even in the bible God himself gave up in the end on them. What more proof is needed. I _told_ y’all what Marmite would do to your brain, but did you listen to me? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/479 "2014-01-08T17:21:36Z")
Jews have the distinction of being (a) one of the (if not the) oldest surviving cohesive ethnic-religious groups. (Zoroastrians beat us in longevity, but from my conversations with some, their religious writings and most of written history has been lost in their persecutions) (b) a small group numerically © widespread geographically, due to long (see (a)) history and multiple dispersion events (a) and © can inspire suspicion (how did the Jews manage to survive that long and why are they everywhere?), while (b) throughout history made for very few negative consequences to disliking Jews. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/480 "2014-01-08T17:26:44Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Jews have the distinction of being > > (a) one of the (if not the) oldest surviving cohesive ethnic-religious groups. (Zoroastrians beat us in longevity, but from my conversations with some, their religious writings and most of written history has been lost in their persecutions) > > (b) a small group numerically > > (c) widespread geographically, due to long (see (a)) history and multiple dispersion events > > (a) and (c) can inspire suspicion (how did the Jews manage to survive that long and why are they everywhere?), while (b) throughout history made for very few negative consequences to disliking Jews. Plus we control the banks and media. That tends to inspire suspicion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131.md?page=25)