# Why are Jews still hated so much around the world outside of the U.S.? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 19, 2012, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131 "2012-09-19T01:36:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/61 "2012-09-19T17:35:12Z")
> [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > and 39% Asian/Arab do not count as British in culture. The latter in particular will be overwhelmingly Muslim as I was saying. That is bigoted crap. Why do Asians in the UK not count as being British in culture. Most if not all of the people who perpetrated the attacks were probably born and raised in the UK. Hell, most probably speak English far better than they speak Urdu. Anyone familiar with the UK knows that first and second generation “Asians” tend to be far more likely to be radicalized than immigrants as was portrayed in My Son, The Fanatic. Also how would them being Muslims preclude them from being British? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/62 "2012-09-19T17:41:01Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Cite? Because none of the ones I know believe that. [There’s a whole Wiki page on Christian Zionism](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism). And included is: > [@](#): > > As an example, Hal Lindsey, one of the most popular American promoters of dispensationalism, has written in The Late Great Planet Earth that per Book of Ezekiel (39:6-8) that after Jews fight off a “Russian” invasion, Jews will see this as a miracle and convert to Christianity. Their lives will be spared the great fire that God will put upon Russia and people of the “coastlands.” And, per Book of Zechariah (13:8,9), one third of Jews alive who have converted will be spared. So apparently even conversion isn’t going to be enough to save 2/3rds of the Jews. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/63 "2012-09-19T18:21:57Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Beyond that, the ADL is certainly not going to forge polls. No, but you know that’s not necessary. The Europe poll involved small sample sizes (500 per country). Beyond that, all you have to do is conduct three polls and throw out the ones that didn’t give you the numbers you wanted. > [@](#): > > That is bigoted crap. No kidding. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/64 "2012-09-19T18:23:50Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > Plain, naked, good ol’ fashioned JEALOUSY is a huge part of the equation as well. > > I am willing to bet that if you could somehow magically evaluate (and then combine) the overall relative wealth, educational level, community status and general influence in both social & political matters that Jews worldwide enjoy (which is clearly impossible, I realize) the average Jew, no matter where in the world they live, is financially better off, better educated and more highly respected than any other single religion or ethnicity you can name. I don’t think its jealousy. I have encountered casual anti-semitism among upper class Europeans in a context that leads me to believe that anti-semitism is not only common but acceptable in polite company in Europe. These are not people that need to be envious of anyone. On the other hand, I haven’t encountered very much anti-semitism in British pubs where the average household wealth is several degrees of magnitude lower. > [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Consult your local religious fanatic for more details. The “moral majority” has embraced religious Jews as much as they have embraced religious Mormons (and frankly have a lot in common with religious Muslims as well). > [@Noone\_Special](#): > > This is fairly natural, I think, in the same sense that I (an ex-pat American Jew living in Israel) will readily criticize the Israeli government (which is after all the one that has to take care of my daily life) but hold back on criticizing the US. This doesn’t make me a US double-agent in Israel. So is every Jew in effect an expat israeli? Anyways i had no problems criticizing Bush and the Iraq wars when I was in France. Heck the Frenchmen seemed more reluctant to criticize Bush than I was. > [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > There is quite a bit of anti-Israeli sentiment but that is a completely seperate issue. Not everyone agrees with you. Some people believe that any criticism of Israel has its roots in anti-semitism. Some of these people post regularly on this board. ---
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/65 "2012-09-19T18:42:20Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So is every Jew in effect an expat israeli? No more – and no less – than the way many Americans of Irish descent still feel a strong connection to Ireland, etc… > [@](#): > > Anyways i had no problems criticizing Bush and the Iraq wars when I was in France. Heck the Frenchmen seemed more reluctant to criticize Bush than I was. Different strokes for different folks, I guess… 🙂 I personally bite my tongue and try to defend the Israeli government when abroad, and conversely try not to be critical of the US and _its_ administartion when talking to non-Americans. But I suppose others could and probably feel the opposite way. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/66 "2012-09-19T18:57:23Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > The [ADL also found that 30% of Americans believe that Jews are more loyal to Israel than the US](According to Foxman, although anti-Semitism is less of a problem in the United States than elsewhere, 30 percent of the American people believe that U.S. Jews are more loyal to Israel than to the United States, and 30 percent of Americans believe that Jews killed Jesus.). Does anyone genuinely believe that’s true? > > The ADL is a damn good resource for general background information on racism, but they have a vested interest in polling show high rates of antisemitism; it’s how they get funding. > > Pew, which has no such interest, [finds that 82% of Americans, 76% of Britons and 84% of the French have a positive view of Jews](http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2011/07/2011-Muslim-West-04.png). Those figures are broadly comparable with the favorability ratings of Christians (except in Britain). These two are not contradictory, and “positive view” is a bit too vague anyways. For example, someone might say “Those Jews, so smart and good with business, that’s really admirable. I mean, sure, they’re more loyal to Global Jewry than their home countries, but…” ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/67 "2012-09-19T19:00:59Z")
In that case, the loyalty question isn’t evidence of antisemitism. ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/68 "2012-09-19T19:10:25Z")
Scapes gonna goat. There are enough Jews to make them a worthy target, but not enough of them to amass and fight back. Plus, their religion advocates intellect and study, so Jews tend to be smart as hell. They also tend to marry within their religion and have Jewish kids who do the same, so their intelligence and studiousness don’t get watered down from a genetic standpoint. As a result of their studious nature and high intelligence, they’re disproportionately over-represented in powerful (and often high-paying) professions–like banking and investment. Dumb masses of people find it easier to ascribe the financial success of Jewish people to conspiracy rather than intelligence, study, and hard work. And, once a group has been othered by the dumb masses, it becomes \*much \*easier to justify hatred and even commit genocide. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/69 "2012-09-19T19:16:29Z")
> [@Rachellelogram](#): > > Scapes gonna goat. There are enough Jews to make them a worthy target, but not enough of them to amass and fight back. Plus, their religion advocates intellect and study, so Jews tend to be smart as hell. They also tend to marry within their religion and have Jewish kids who do the same, so their intelligence and studiousness don’t get watered down from a genetic standpoint. > > As a result of their studious nature and high intelligence, they’re disproportionately over-represented in powerful (and often high-paying) professions–like banking and investment. Dumb masses of people find it easier to ascribe the financial success of Jewish people to conspiracy rather than intelligence, study, and hard work. And, once a group has been othered by the dumb masses, it becomes \*much \*easier to justify hatred and even commit genocide. I agree completely. Also, the more said group is scapegoated, the easier it is to scapegoat them in the future-“If they keep getting picked on throughout history, there _must_ be a reason for it. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.” ---
**Author:** ![Simple\_Linctus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Simple\_Linctus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simple_Linctus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/70 "2012-09-19T19:31:18Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > That is bigoted crap. > > Why do Asians in the UK not count as being British in culture. Most if not all of the people who perpetrated the attacks were probably born and raised in the UK. Hell, most probably speak English far better than they speak Urdu. > > Anyone familiar with the UK knows that first and second generation “Asians” tend to be far more likely to be radicalized than immigrants as was portrayed in My Son, The Fanatic. > > Also how would them being Muslims preclude them from being British? Most Asians DO count as being British in culture. However, the ones who are committing anti semitic attacks do not (primarily) belong to British culture. They belong to a culture within Britain (we are after all a multicultural society) which I choose to describe as an Islamic one. Those are the ones committing the anti-semitic attacks. > [@tomndebb](#): > > Of course, you do. They do not fit into the preconceived prejuduces that you wished to express, here. > > So, there were only 300 attacks by “real” Britons against Jewish targets that were sufficiently violent or damaging to warrant police response? That does not quite support your erroneous claim that there was no significant demonstration of hatred. At about the same time, the U.S. had around 1,200 similar attacks in a country with five times the population (and a larger percentage of Jews). So, by your weasel figures, the U.K. is a bit more hostile to Jews than the U.S. is. > > Note that I have made no claim that Britain is violently anti-semitic. It is not. I just find your silly game of claiming that people with whom you identify are in some fashion free of sin to be, in your words, laughable. You just don’t understand Britain. 300 “attacks” is not significant, no. By the way “attack” is just not a fair word to use about most of these incidents. Any crime whatsoever can be an anti-semitic attack according to the way the UK coallates its crime figures if ANYONE perceives it to be anti-semitic (this is the same for all so-called hate crimes). This means that even if the victim doesn’t think there’s a hate element, if it suits whatever target the police are trying to meet that week then it’s going down as a hate crime. This is very well documented. ---
**Author:** ![Simple\_Linctus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Simple\_Linctus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simple_Linctus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/71 "2012-09-19T19:35:24Z")
Ah bugger I can’t believe I just missed the deadline for the pool cause of typing that out ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/72 "2012-09-19T19:37:19Z")
> [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > Most Asians DO count as being British in culture. However, the ones who are committing anti semitic attacks do not (primarily) belong to British culture. They belong to a culture within Britain (we are after all a multicultural society) which I choose to describe as an Islamic one. > > Those are the ones committing the anti-semitic attacks. No True Englishman … would be anti-Semitic. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/73 "2012-09-19T19:43:08Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > In that case, the loyalty question isn’t evidence of antisemitism. As I said, just as there are different levels of racism there are different levels of anti-Semitism. There are lots of people who will deny they hate white people or have animosity towards, them but they think white men have extremely small penises. Similarly, lots of people, including ones on this very board will insist that they think blacks are dumber than whites but that they harbor no animosity towards blacks and several of them will also insist that blacks are better athletes than whites. Now, does that mean that claims that whites have small penises or that blacks have small brains aren’t racist? The answer is of course not, those arguments are racist. Similarly, anti-Semitism, like anti-Asian racism has always had a certain amount of jealousy and fear of the other being in some ways superior in contrast to other forms of racism. For example, many anti-Semitic and anti-Asian African-Americans used to regularly complain that blacks wouldn’t “stick together” or “only hire their own” or be “crafty” like “the Koreans” or “the Jews”. Anyway, anyone who honestly doesn’t think that claims about Jewish “dual-loyalty” or “Jews having too much power in the business world” is wildly ignorant of the history of anti-Semitism. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/74 "2012-09-19T19:49:46Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > In that case, the loyalty question isn’t evidence of antisemitism. Sure it is. Someone who tells you that Asians are wonderful at math and have great study skills and that’s so very admirable, but laments the fact that all Asian women are submissive pleasure objects and all Asian men are sexually feeble? That person is still racist against Asians. Someone can hold anti-Semitic beliefs intermixed with other views of Jews as having some advantageous traits. Hell, even the Nazis described Jews are brilliant and cunning, among their other adjectives. The belief that Jews, just by virtue of being Jews, can be assumed to be, or are more likely to be, more loyal to Global Jewry than to their own homes is an anti-Semitic canard whose pedigree goes back to Roman times. If someone also believes that Jews are clever, make good doctors and have great community spirit, that doesn’t change the fact that they still hold an anti-Semitic view. Here’s a perfect example: my mom, a Jew, was getting her hair cut recently. During the course of discussion, the fact that my mom’s a Jew was brought up. At that point, the stylist stated that she had lots and lots of respect for the Jews. “Why’s that?” my mother asked. “Well”, the stylist went on to explain “I had one customer who was a Jew and every time she paid me and the bill came ended in 99 cents, she made sure to get her penny back. That kind of attention to money is a great habit to have.” The stylist was speaking about this with admiration. But she was admiring an anti-Semitic stereotype that Jews are incredibly good at penny pinching. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/75 "2012-09-19T19:54:17Z")
[quote=“Simple\_Linctus, post:70, topic:635131”] Most Asians DO count as being British in culture. However, the ones who are committing anti semitic attacks do not (primarily) belong to British culture./QUOTE] I’m sorry but this is almost beyond parody. As one poster earlier said this is basically “No true Englishman would engaged in anti-Semitic attacks.” I’m reminded of some Muslims who insist “no true Muslim would engage in terrorism” or Christians who say “no true Christian would bomb an abortion clinic.” ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/76 "2012-09-19T19:57:48Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > [There’s a whole Wiki page on Christian Zionism](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism). And included is: > > So apparently even conversion isn’t going to be enough to save 2/3rds of the Jews. This is in the context of a broader war. The belief is that the first step of the end times is the Jews returning to Israel. The next stop is the temple being rebuilt. After this most of the Jews will convert to Christianity. At the same time the Beast will take power in most of the rest of the world. The forces of the beast will try to conquer Israel and huge amounts of people will die in the war. Just before the Beast is able to conquer Israel, Jesus will return and destroy the Beast’s army and throw the beast into hell. Jesus will then reign for a thousand years, after which the Beast and Satan will get one last chance to rebel before the final judgement. Some believe that the rapture will happen before the thousand years and others afterwards. The death of the converted Jews is not them being singled out, but in the context of a worldwide war against all Christians. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/77 "2012-09-19T20:10:10Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Sure it is. Someone who tells you that Asians are wonderful at math and have great study skills and that’s so very admirable, but laments the fact that all Asian women are submissive pleasure objects and all Asian men are sexually feeble? That person is still racist against Asians. Someone can hold anti-Semitic beliefs intermixed with other views of Jews as having some advantageous traits. Hell, even the Nazis described Jews are brilliant and cunning, among their other adjectives. > > The belief that Jews, just by virtue of being Jews, can be assumed to be, or are more likely to be, more loyal to Global Jewry than to their own homes is an anti-Semitic canard whose pedigree goes back to Roman times. If someone also believes that Jews are clever, make good doctors and have great community spirit, that doesn’t change the fact that they still hold an anti-Semitic view. > > Here’s a perfect example: my mom, a Jew, was getting her hair cut recently. During the course of discussion, the fact that my mom’s a Jew was brought up. At that point, the stylist stated that she had lots and lots of respect for the Jews. “Why’s that?” my mother asked. “Well”, the stylist went on to explain “I had one customer who was a Jew and every time she paid me and the bill came ended in 99 cents, she made sure to get her penny back. That kind of attention to money is a great habit to have.” The stylist was speaking about this with admiration. But she was admiring an anti-Semitic stereotype that Jews are incredibly good at penny pinching. An example of this writ large is that, apparently, in Japan there is a certain current of ultra-nationalism that believes all of the anti-Semitic canards about Jews, and wishes that the Japanese would imitate them. 😃 This, despite (orvperhaps because of) the fact that there are a vanishingly tiny number of Jews in Japan. [http://www.firstthings.com/article/2008/10/004-the-japanese-and-the-jews-24](http://www.firstthings.com/article/2008/10/004-the-japanese-and-the-jews-24) ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/78 "2012-09-19T22:48:03Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > As I said, just as there are different levels of racism there are different levels of anti-Semitism. > > There are lots of people who will deny they hate white people or have animosity towards, them but they think white men have extremely small penises. If you make your definitions that broad, then you make them virtually meaningless. By your criteria, everyone is anti-everyone-else to some degree. If I, as a Caucasian, think Asians do well in math, then I am clearly racist, since I’m generalizing about Asians, and I’m also anti-Caucasian, since I am implicitly disparaging Caucasian math skills by comparison. Note that I’m not saying it’s wrong to assert that there are degrees of bigotry, or even that everyone is bigoted to some extent. I’m just saying it’s a useless tautology when discussing humans rather than robots, and worse than useless in a debate about HATE, rather than slightly unflattering generalizations. I have a thousand times more concern that Congressional Republicans are willing to vote against the best interests of the US to keep Obama from succeeding, than that Joe Lieberman is willing to vote against the best interests of the US to help Israel. By your lights, the former just makes me a liberal, but the latter makes me an anti-Semite. There is no stigma for the very strong concern, but I am lumped with Holocaust deniers for the practically non-existent concern. > [@](#): > > Anyway, anyone who honestly doesn’t think that claims about Jewish “dual-loyalty” or “Jews having too much power in the business world” is wildly ignorant of the history of anti-Semitism. I haven’t been here that long, and I mostly just lurk in the serious political debates, but already I’m getting to know the players, and I don’t consider it a complete post from you, or FinnAgain, or even Tomndebb, unless it contains a remark about the ignorance of anyone who disagrees with you. You can also consider this an answer to your question about [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15495131&postcount=308)post. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/79 "2012-09-19T22:55:09Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > If I, as a Caucasian, think Asians do well in math, then I am clearly racist, since I’m generalizing about Asians Yep. Racism and bigotry are based on the fallacies of composition and division. > [@TonySinclair](#): > > I have a thousand times more concern that Congressional Republicans are willing to vote against the best interests of the US to keep Obama from succeeding, than that Joe Lieberman is willing to vote against the best interests of the US to help Israel. By your lights, the former just makes me a liberal, but the latter makes me an anti-Semite. Objecting to self-identified members of a political party who act along the party line is not at all similar being concerned that people can’t be trusted because of their ethnicity. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131/80 "2012-09-19T23:13:45Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Objecting to self-identified members of a political party who act along the party line is not at all similar being concerned that people can’t be trusted because of their ethnicity. Granted, but my concerns about Lieberman are entirely due to his politics. His ethnicity is relevant only in that opposing his politics makes me anti-Semitic in the eyes of some, whereas opposing a Protestant who votes identically does not. If I ever post about how I think Al Franken or Bernie Sanders might vote against the best interests of the US to help Israel, we can revisit this topic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-jews-still-hated-so-much-around-the-world-outside-of-the-u-s/635131.md?page=5)