Why are my children pressured to sale junk?

I don’t let my kids sell that crap. If the stuff is not utterly worthless, I might by one item so they can get the minimum prize.

Our PTA has wised up and said that if parents prefer just to make a donation to the school, that every $7 they donate counts as an item sold (since the average price per item is $7.) That way the kids get to participate in the prize incentive program. This is a step up, but since a donation nets the school 100% profit, vs. (I assume) 50% profit on the items sold, I think they ought to make it a $4 donation equals one item sold.

It seriously creeped me out a year ago when a cute little (12 year old?) girl came to my door in her cheerleading outfit selling something to raise funds for her cheerleading group’s trip to a competition. What the hell kind of parents send beautiful little girls in cheerleading outfits to go around and knock on the doors of stranger’s houses, unsupervised?

Nope-tickets were couples only. Sucks, doesn’t it?

It’s not so much I couldn’t have gotten a date-I had guys I was friends with, so that wouldn’t have been a problem. But my friends didn’t, so I would be stuck going by myself, with a guy from another school, and I’m not Miss Social Butterfly, so that would’ve sucked. Another friend said I could hang out with her and her group, but the people she was with I couldn’t stand. sigh

Yes, I’m bitter. I think it fucking sucks.

Oh well.
This is the same school that still has textbooks from before the fall of the Soviet Union, but gets brand new sports uniforms every year.

could you have bought date tickets and given them to eachother? or were they wise to that?

As a high school student, I hate these things too. Spanish club was selling candy and stuff to go on their trip to Spain. This was nice, because you could by some junk food for a buck and the school got 50 cents. But now their trip is cancelled because of 9-11, so there is a bunch of money in limbo. They don’t know if they are keeping it or if the school will take it. That really sucks.
But the overpriced kitch shit that they are peddling for prom? NO! Icky!

And I understand girl scouts selling cookies; they are not state-funded the way schools are. That and the cookies are damn delicious! But school stuff to get the kids new things? The schools should be buying that stuff for them instead. We are the future; if you are not willing to spend money on us now so we are educated, we will not spend money on you later so you will live well in old age.

No, because you had to tell them who your date was, etc etc.

I suppose we could have posed as a lesbian couple, but as my friend was already the target of being rumored a lesbian, when she wasn’t, plus the fact that we were all very quiet and shy, it wouldn’t have worked. Plus my school probably wouldn’t have gone for it.

its not that I mind girl scout cookies.
I LOVE thin Mints.
I simply think its HARSH how little they get in return.

and, they too are often under pressure to sell a large amout of cookies.

Its not the girls i have a problem with…it’s the girl scout organization.

The opposing view point,

We have to sell mother fucking FROZEN PIZZA’s. A mandatory amount of 20 mother fucking pizzas at 6 dollars a pop. This gets us what? jack fucking shit we have to buy our hats, belts, practice gear, and socks. Well I should be fair, how about our mother fucking feild that was supposed to be ready 2 years ago. But wait, that mother fucker has no bleachers, no batting cage, and mother fucking piece of shit dugouts.

Frozen pizzas suck. Especially if they are MOTHER FUCKING frozen pizzas.

twenty of them, no less! and the piece of shit dugouts fuck your mother, too, apparently.

My suggestion for a Spanish trip, as inspired by the Simpsons: pack up a bus and head to Tijuana! No plane involved.

Back in high school, my wrestling team did fund-raising by selling cheesecakes from some company; and I mean good ones. For sure, we never had a problem selling hundreds of those bad boys! That it was such a unique item for kids to sell certainly added to the appeal. I could never figure why other groups and teams opted to sell garbage like candy and tulip bulbs when there were cash cows like that around.

My point is this. My children who are 5 and 7 have to raise money selling WHATEVER it may be in order to get a good education. I really dont want my kids selling anything in exchange for something that has already been paid for.

The school district where I work supplies everything the students need for class. I am not exaggerating in the least when I say everything. Pencils, erasers, pens, paper, notebooks for journal writing, folders, crayons, markers, rulers, compases, scissors, glue, protractors, tissues, etc. all supplied by the school. It irritates me that the school district could simply require students’ parents to buy their own children’s basic school supplies, eliminate the purchasing department responsible for these supplies entirely, and use the money saved for programs that are supported by fundraisers. This would hardly be a hardship on most parents–$20 at the beginning of the year, a few bucks a month after–and would save my school alone more than ten grand a year.

Skyblukat, do the fundraisers go to support the basic education program, or for extra-curricular activities? I entirely agree that the basic education program should be provided to families without additional support from fundraisers, and also that any fundraiser should be entirely voluntary (as it is where I teach).

But funding has steadily decreased for extra-curricular activities such as cheerleading and sports, so in order for these activities, which I think are very valuable, to exist, let alone thrive, an alternate source of funds has to be found. There are three ways I can see to find these funds, and all have problems:

1: Private sponsorship: Usually, the company sponsoring the activity will want their name on it somewhere, as in the scoreboard at my high school that was paid for by the local Pepsi bottler in exchange for the prominent Pepsi logo on it, and the right to have only Pepsi machines in the high school cafeteria for four years.

2: Donations from the families: Some families cannot afford the cost, and others object to paying for any service provided by schools.

3: Fundraisers: The problems with these have been listed above.

Folks, I gotta tell you - this is one of the most disturbing threads I’ve seen in a long while. Think of it -

We live in the richest nation in the world…

“Standards” are being raised in public education…

Most people would probably agree that education is really important…

… and yet the schools are in an economic situation where we send out little kids to hawk stuff in order to get basic services.

This isn’t funny people.

Bush and friends will shell out tons of (our) money to bail out the airlines. But God forbid we should “throw money at the education problem”. We all know that is NOT the right way to tackle the situation…

I’m going to seriously fucking throw something if I don’t calm down…

THAT is what I am talking about. Thank you!

Hear, hear.

And kudos also to Grok.

In re my desire to train Michaela to be subversive, abuse angel said

(emphasis mine) Actually, I’m on pretty good terms with Michaela’s teachers and the principal of her school, and I will avoid jeopardizing that if at all possible, but if the school officials try to tell her that the activity I’m not letting her partake in is GOOD, well, I’m just not having any of that. If necessary, I’ll simply insist that I remove her from school during any pep rallies or other Tony Robbins-like crap-fests that send this message.

At the high school where I teach, we have something called Papa J’s Pizza Night. If the kids go to Papa J’s and get a pizza and save the receipt, then Papa J’s will donate 20% of the cost of the pizza to the school. Our administration is very gung-ho about this, and encourages those kids to go every week. The kids go, too, and compete for “most money spent.” (The first period teacher whose class spends the most $$ per term gets a FREE!!! pizza party.) The result is… lots of kids eating unhealthy, fattening food, and Papa J’s making a huge chunk of money – 80% of the money spent.

I hate that the school does this, I hate that the school district has to do stuff like this, and I hate that Papa J’s is exploiting the children for money. I also hate that J.E.B. plans on cutting education even more this year.

Gaaahh, fundraisers. My heart dies every time my three kids bring home a new catalogue of crap, which occurs 6 times or more per school year. (Next year, my oldest will be in junior high, so he’ll be bringing home 6 additional, different crapalogues.) It wouldn’t be so bad if the school didn’t give an Amway-style pep rally, convincing the kids that selling crap and selling a lot of it is the most important goal, more important, for example, than world peace.

3 kids in one family competing for sales. This causes a logistical problem since they have only one grandma in the area who can’t afford to buy three little containers of cookie dough at $10 each. This year, we combined all 3 kids’ sales to make it more of a team effort. We also won’t let them participate in more than one fundraiser per year; each one requires so many hours of our kids’ time (not to mention mine) that nobody has time to do other things. Like homework, for example.

Our school does have an awesome and highly successful fundraiser each year called the Eagle Bash. We’re gearing up for it now. It’s a huge party with one booth for each teacher. Parents man the booths in half-hour shifts. (Last year I worked the tattoo booth; this year I’m doing ring-toss.) There’s also a bake sale, a dunk-tank containing the principal, and an ambulance where EMT’s wrap kids’ various body parts with gauze and apply fake blood. Each activity costs one or two tickets; tickets are 25 cents each.

Even the most disadvantaged people in our community can afford to blow a buck or two (our family spends $50 or so, plus our donated time and baked goods). Every parent does something. All the supplies are donated by parents and local businesses. All the money goes to the school. Plus, it’s much more fun than selling overpriced cookie dough and parents, kids, and teachers get to party together.

Another bonus: my middle child is handicapped but extremely cute, so his picture always appears in the newspaper’s photo spread of the event. (Photographer: “Let’s see. We need a black kid and a Mexican kid. Hey, look over there at the dunk tank! See that little cripple in the wheelchair? He’s perfect!”)

My daughter has just started preschool, and my stepson is living with us now. I expect to see this fundraiser stuff any day now.

Most of the people I work with have kids, and are forever bringing in these things. I ususally buy a little something. Most of us do. The unspoken agreement is “I’ll buy something from your kid if you’ll buy something from mine,” although everyone understands that there is no obligation (especially now, with the holidays coming). There’s never been any guilt given when someone says “no, I just can’t do it this time.”

But now I’m torn. I kinda like helping out my colleagues kids, but I’m not sure I want to inflict yet another fundraiser on my office. I’m okay with continuing to purchase from my colleagues and not bringing in fundraiser stuff myself. I know that if I do bring something in, my colleagues would buy stuff (I’ve been buying from them since before I had kids of my own).

I’m not much interested in making a statement, like kaylasdad99 (although I wholeheartedly agree with what he said about making Michaela feel good about resisting “soul-sucking indoctrination”). Nothing against statement-making, mind you. I just have too much on my plate at the moment.

Sigh. Guess I’ll call the school and see what their policy is on just taking donations.

Would you believe this issue is one of the reasons I never had kids? (Of course, it’s a verrrry long list.)

I intensely hated having to sell girl scout cookies as a child. It was scary, and our neighbors had no compunctions about saying “no” to a cute little kid.

My parents wouldn’t sell them worth a damn at work, either, or due to pathological procrastination they couldn’t get their order forms to the office before some other cookie-selling parent monopolized the whole place.

I’m steadfastly opposed to the very concept of having children sell anything, on the premise that people will feel guilty turning down children.

I couldn’t believe the first time some little urchin tried to sell me a candy bar for $1.00! I don’t even want to know what the price has gone up to these days.

I don’t think the selling experience is positive for kids, I think it’s dastardly to use children this way, and to use them to make people feel trapped into contributing when they don’t otherwise want to. I personally will not be pressured into buying something from a kid; he or she can burst into tears on my doorstep for all I care.

Holly, I know that was meant as a joke and all, but every time I overhear one of those sorry motherfuckers say something negative about a disabled person, it makes me want to saw their legs off with a dull butter knife and slap 'em in a wheelchair, just so they know what it feels like.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRR…

We now return you to your regularly scheduled reality, already in progress. :smiley: