# Why are opera singers fat?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [March 28, 2005, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669 "2005-03-28T21:16:14Z")
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### Author:  [@smartdog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smartdog)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2005, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/1 "2005-03-28T21:16:14Z")
OK, not all of them are fat. Some of them are merely robust. Is there any particular reason, other than prolonged soujourns in Italy? Deborah Voight has reduced her weight considerably without harm to her voice, so it shouldn’t have too much to do with vocal prowess, or does it?
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### Author:  [@Washoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Washoe)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2005, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/2 "2005-03-28T21:25:57Z")
You piqued my curiosity, so I Googled it. Here’s something which partially addresses the question:
[http://slate.msn.com/id/2096930/](http://slate.msn.com/id/2096930/)
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### Author:  [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2005, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/3 "2005-03-28T21:31:30Z")
Callas wasn’t fat, Kathleen Ferrier wasn’t fat, Ian Bostridge isn’t fat…other than every other example I could list, your point is, ummm…?
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### Author:  [@smartdog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smartdog)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2005, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/4 "2005-03-28T21:41:08Z")
Oh please. Don’t be a smart aleck. Let’s just amend: “almost all the opera singers I have seen are quite overweight.” I still want to know why.
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### Author:  [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2005, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/5 "2005-03-28T21:51:38Z")
Because you’ve seen fat singers in the operas you’ve been to?
There’s no answer. At least, none for GQ.
“Why do opera singers have a reputation for being fat?”
“Why is it a fat lady that must sing?”
That’s the kind of thing GQ could cope with. Go to different operas (different composers, different companies, etc), and you’ll see something different (admittedly, this depends on your location, as opera ain’t something that’s too easy to find).
I’ve never seen a fat person singing a major role in an opera. I could give several explanations…but the main one is I don’t go to anything where a ‘fat lady’ is expected.
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### Author:  [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2005, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/6 "2005-03-28T22:20:21Z")
I minored in piano in college; I knew a lot of _young_ opera singers who weren’t fat. There did, however, seem to be a belief among them (unsupported, AFAIK) that being big, or at least big-boned, made for better lung capacity. I used to know some _tiny_ little girls with great big voices, though. Of course, they’d been doing it for a long time and weren’t a random sample of people who just thought one day “Hey, I’ll go sing!”; they’re self-selected.
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### Author:  [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2005, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/7 "2005-03-28T22:28:19Z")
My wife is a professor of music history at UCLA. We were actually talking about this yesterday after seeing the article about Deborah Voigt’s weight loss. What follows is a rough summary of what she said.
Singing opera is very strenuous. You need a lot of strength to be able to push that much air over your vocal cords for hours on end. Being fat doesn’t necessarily help that much, but being **big** does. The ideal body type for an opera singer is tall and big-boned, someone who can carry enough muscle in their mid-section to really belt out the notes. Waifish little women and tall skinny men don’t tend to be able to deliver that sort of power.
So it’s not so that all opera singers are fat, but rather that because of the physical demands of the medium the average opera singer tends to be stockier than other theatrical performers.
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### Author:  [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2005, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/8 "2005-03-28T23:57:15Z")
> [@smartdog](#):
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> OK, not all of them are fat. Some of them are merely robust. Is there any particular reason, other than prolonged soujourns in Italy? Deborah Voight has reduced her weight considerably without harm to her voice, so it shouldn’t have too much to do with vocal prowess, or does it?
Actually, she was worried about the harm to her voice and she says that there are some things that are more difficult now that she’s lost the weight ([cite](http://nytimes.com/2005/03/27/arts/music/27voig.html)
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### Author:  [@Kizarvexius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kizarvexius)
#### Post date: [March 29, 2005, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/9 "2005-03-29T00:05:52Z")
Covent Garden’s announcement that Deborah Voigt was being cut from a production due to her size sent chills throughout the opera world. For generations, opera was the last bastion of color/size/gender blindness in the performing arts. When Pavarotti sang the role of Rodolfo in _La Boheme_, for example, nobody cared that he could never in a million years be mistaken for a starving artist in a Paris ghetto. Nor did anybody much care whether the lead soprano in _Madama Butterfly_ was thirty years older than the role calls for. Or whether the singer starring in _Otelo_ was actually black. None of this mattered, because in opera casting the voice was everything.
The conscious choice to ignore physical appearance in opera casting probably has much to do with the “bigger is better” belief that predominated for so long. But this practice had effects far beyond simply allowing casting directors to pick their favorites. It also opened up roles to singers who would never have been considered had their appearance been an issue. And if Covent Garden’s new policy becomes more widespread, it will effectively end a great tradition of tolerance that helped opera to flourish as an art form in the first place.
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### Author:  [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)
#### Post date: [March 29, 2005, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/10 "2005-03-29T00:48:15Z")
> [@Kizarvexius](#):
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> When Pavarotti sang the role of Rodolfo in _La Boheme_, for example, nobody cared that he could never in a million years be mistaken for a starving artist in a Paris ghetto.
They didn’t? You asked all of them?
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> Nor did anybody much care whether the lead soprano in _Madama Butterfly_ was thirty years older than the role calls for. Or whether the singer starring in _Otelo_ was actually black.
Oops on the last one. Colour of skin is one feature which copyrighted operas can have control over (i.e. Porgy & Bess)
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> in opera casting the voice was everything.
Please clear a very large space for me to explode in laughter.
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### Author:  [@Kizarvexius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kizarvexius)
#### Post date: [March 29, 2005, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/11 "2005-03-29T03:25:02Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#):
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> Please clear a very large space for me to explode in laughter.
Okay, so I paint with very broad brushes. 🙂
C’mon. Operas often have completely ridiculous plots, absurdly one-dimensional characters, and endless repetitions of the same overly dramatic love story. Yet they continue to be performed again and again to crowds who pay through the nose for the privilege. The very same drama that would be laughed out of the “serious” theater can, in the hands of a good composer, become a classic. Just look at _Rigoletto_. As Anna Russell once said, “that’s the beauty of grand opera. You can do anthing you like so long as you sing it.”
Obviously I overstated when I said that _nobody_ would complain the Pavarotti was miscast as a starving artist. But I for one have attended numerous operas featuring singers who were physically wrong for their roles, yet I don’t recall hearing or reading about any complaints – so long as the voice was right.
I have seen, for example:
- A Mexican Khan Konchak in _Prince Igor_.
- A Vietnamese Escamillo in _Carmen_.
- One or two black Valkyries in _Die Walkure_.
- A Gilda some years older than her “father” in _Rigoletto_.
I think that this supports my contention that voice is more important than appearance in opera casting. If this is such an absurd idea, **GorillaMan** , I invite you to enlighten me.
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### Author:  [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)
#### Post date: [March 29, 2005, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/12 "2005-03-29T04:11:54Z")
NPR did a piece some years back about an Aussie opera company where all the performers were quite svelte and physically attractive. The director of the company in the NPR interview said that they specifically looked for talented performers who were _not_ overweight, and made the comment that if being heavy was a requirement for being a great singer, then only whales would be able to perform opera.
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### Author:  [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)
#### Post date: [March 29, 2005, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/13 "2005-03-29T06:49:59Z")
> [@Kizarvexius](#):
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> I think that this supports my contention that voice is more important than appearance in opera casting.
That’s a very different statement to saying the voice is ‘everything’.
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### Author:  [@VicNyke92](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VicNyke92)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2012, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/14 "2012-06-07T17:10:45Z")
According to my singing teacher, people who are fat learn to breathe using the diaphragm (otherwise they wouldn’t be able to inhale enough air) and therefore have that part of the body trained. So when they start singing, they learn to use it a lot faster than thin people who didn’t need to breathe with the diaphragm in the first place.
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### Author:  [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2012, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/15 "2012-06-07T17:43:50Z")
It’s not clear to me that opera singers, on average, are fatter than the general public, on average.
What is certainly true is that they tend to be fatter than other types of show-business stars. AFAICT, that’s mostly due to two things:
- Excess weight doesn’t interfere with their performance abilities as much as it would for, say, dancers or even actors in general. This is less true now than it used to be due to directors’ and audiences’ preferences for more “athletic” or physically “dramatic” performances rather than some of the earlier “stand there and sing” styles, but it’s still a factor.
- Good opera singing is really hard and takes a LOT of talent and training, so there are comparatively fewer people with the capability to do it. A Broadway chorus member, say, has to look perfect for the role in addition to dancing and singing adequately, because relatively speaking, there are many people in show business who can dance and sing well enough to be in a Broadway chorus. There are WAY fewer people who can sing a major operatic role well enough to impress audiences, so for those who can, there’s less competitive pressure from slimmer/younger/prettier rivals.
> [@GorillaMan](#):
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> Callas wasn’t fat, Kathleen Ferrier wasn’t fat, Ian Bostridge isn’t fat…
Even those few examples don’t all support your point as much as you might think. Callas was quite heavy at the start of her career and deliberately dieted down to a more slender figure.
American soprano Deborah Voight [comments about her previous 350-lb. size](http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2006/sep/26/classicalmusicandopera.healthandwellbeing):
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> Voigt herself says, “I don’t think my voice has changed, but I am only hearing it from inside, so I can only speak about the sensation of singing. Every 20lbs I lost, I felt less rounded and less able to support the sound; well, that was because my support system” - she gestures at empty space around her now slim hips - “was vanishing. At 150lbs heavier, you take a breath and those muscles are already engaged, you don’t have to think about it. Now, I have to think about it, about how things line up.” […]
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> “And I grew up sitting on a piano stool and singing and not running around playing soccer. My fingers were in great shape.”
There may be something about being obese that makes powerful singing easier, in that some of the muscles for supporting the sound are already well developed. But again, I think our perception of opera stars as fat is distorted by our assumptions about performers in general, which are skewed by the fact that comparatively very few performers in other lines of show business are fat.
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### Author:  [@WarmNPrickly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WarmNPrickly)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/16 "2012-06-07T18:57:31Z")
I have a freind who swears his voice is only good when his blood pressure is high. He had a stroke recently, and is heavily medicated now. I have yet to hear him sing.
I have noticed that my voice goes in and out based on mood and stimulants really improve it.
It’s all anecdote, of course, but I had always assumed a connection to blood pressure.
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### Author:  [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2012, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/17 "2012-06-07T23:05:22Z")
For whatever reason, zombies are rarely fat.
(Though it may be slightly OT, I actually came here to post a link to an excellent non-fat opera singer: [Diana Damrau](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOQ7W8-_Ekg&feature=related)).
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2012, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/18 "2012-06-07T23:42:14Z")
Is a thread properly considered a zombie when the post that revived it added new, relevant information? I don’t see anyone before **VicNyke92** mentioning breathing with the diaphragm.
Anyway, another factor is that most folks’ exposure to opera is only indirect. Once the perception arises that opera singers are bigger than average, when Loony Toons features an opera singer, she’s going to be a huge blubbery behemoth, as an exaggeration of the stereotype. But nowadays, probably more people have seen “What’s Opera, Doc” than have seen actual operas, and so mistake the comedic exaggeration for the real thing.
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### Author:  [@Washoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Washoe)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2012, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/19 "2012-06-07T23:45:33Z")
> [@Xema](#):
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> For whatever reason, zombies are rarely fat.
[Bullshit](http://www.jlr.org/content/9/5/570.full.pdf).
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### Author:  [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2012, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-opera-singers-fat/296669/20 "2012-06-07T23:49:03Z")
OP meakes me think of one my favorite [movie scenes](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT9yEHOjYjU)…
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