# Why are some people enjoying the possible break up of the UK? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 10, 2014, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820 "2014-04-10T20:46:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Celyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Celyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celyn)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/121 "2014-04-19T17:54:47Z")
> [@filmstar-en](#): > > I was characterising the SNP and the messages given out by its leadership who simply reply to every problem with the rather silly assumption that it is other countries interests to help Scottish independence. > > It is isn’t and they won’t. Nor will it damage other countries. The sun will continue to rise and set, even while George Robertson mutters on about the @forces of darkness" > [@filmstar-en](#): > > The position of Scotland, given its many strategic ports and defence assets and land border with England is a much more important strategic concern for securing the sea lanes. The UK is an island and lives by international trade, which is why it has always had a strong navy. The U.K. is definitely NOT an island. Strong navy? No surface ships based in Scotland. Not much strong defence going on there. Sending a ship up from Portsmouth because you’ve (not you personally - you as in Navy chaps/chapesses) heard about it via Twitter isn’t enormously impressive. > [@filmstar-en](#): > > Currently they have 52 Members of Parliament in Westminster who wield considerable political influence. Actually 59 M.P.s in Westminster who wield not very much influence at all, being, you know, 59 out of 650 M.P.s ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/122 "2014-04-19T18:00:17Z")
> [@filmstar-en](#): > > I was characterising the SNP and the messages given out by its leadership who simply reply to every problem with the rather silly assumption that it is other countries interests to help Scottish independence. > > It is isn’t and they won’t. > > The Irish example. Civil war, then decades in poverty. Neutral during WWII, it took some very deft footwork by DeValera to avoid being invaded by either the UK or Germany. It was bombed by the Luftwaffe and suffered a blockade on its sea traffic despite its neutrality. > > It was a close run thing, had not Germany turned on Russia, Ireland as a backdoor to an invasion of the UK would have been under severe pressure. Moreover, a large number of Irishmen fought with the British and were subsequently punished by the Irish government for many decades after the war. > > The position of Scotland, given its many strategic ports and defence assets and land border with England is a much more important strategic concern for securing the sea lanes. The UK is an island and lives by international trade, which is why it has always had a strong navy. > > It think you misunderstand that the precision engineering required by warships are not commonly available across the world. It is not your regular type of ship building. These things are not just carrying containers from port to port, you know. > > You are wrong about naval ship building, there is a decision on where to build the Type 26 in 2015. This will be a big chunk of business that will keep shipyards busy for some years. > > [Type 26 frigate - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Combat_Ship) > > [http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-defence-job-loss-fears-1-3341630](http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-defence-job-loss-fears-1-3341630) > > It is a serious concern that will affect the livelihood of many people in Scotland. > > Currently they have 52 Members of Parliament in Westminster who wield considerable political influence. At independence Scotland will have zero influence on the decision making regarding where these contracts will go. A matter that will affect 12,600 jobs. > > The SNP vision of a navy consisting of a few inshore fishery protection vessels is not going to take up the slack. > > I would expect any worker in that industry to be asking some serious questions about its future prospects under if the SNP plan is followed through. I suspect that if the ships can be built cheaply in Scotland, BAe will build them in Scotland. If they can be built cheaply in Portsmouth (somewhat questionable) then they will be built in Portsmouth. Economics and EU regulations will seeto that whether or not Scotland is independent. But as I say, it is a flea bite on the whole economy, easily made up for by extra industry gained by cutting corporation tax and re-industrilising with modern industry. So far as its own defence goes, in the same way that Europe and the UK hide behind the might of the US because the US needs to protect Europe, smaller European countries will be shielded by the larger ones because of their strategic interests. I doubt that we will be as neutral as Ireland, but we will be Nuclear free eventually, and will mainly require oil and fishery protection and peace keeping troops. If we do not protect the North Atlantic with our own interceptors and surveillance, Rump UK and France and Germany will still have to, because it will still need to be done. Additionally we will not need any troops for foreign adventures such as Iraq, Afghanistan or whatever the next Great Game invasion is. ---
**Author:** ![filmstar-en](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/50afbb/32.png) [@filmstar-en](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmstar-en)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/123 "2014-04-19T18:01:13Z")
> [@Celyn](#): > > Eh? Do you make a hobby of going around deceiving people and rating their reactions by nationality? That’s just a bit weird. 😃 I was alluding to the habit of the SNP leadership in Scotland to dismiss any claim that some of these independence issues might be difficult to solve as ‘not a problem’. This is plainly not the case and when the consequences become clear I would expect a good deal of resentment to surface. The Scottish temper is quite famous. I would like to see some of these guys return to give the SNP the benefit of their wisdom. [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/FRC0qQ8zA-E/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEmCOADEOgC8quKqQMa8AEB-AGqA4AC8AGKAgwIABABGGUgXihTMA8=&rs=AOn4CLB-62-DDbZNFSxEV4aoqReSQ90dHw "Jamie from The Thick Of It: A Tribute") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRC0qQ8zA-E) ---
**Author:** ![Celyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Celyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celyn)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/124 "2014-04-19T18:01:38Z")
Oh shit. My keyboard is doing @ when I mean ". I am sorry and I will thump it. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/125 "2014-04-19T18:03:25Z")
> [@filmstar-en](#): > > I was alluding to the habit of the SNP leadership in Scotland to dismiss any claim that some of these independence issues might be difficult to solve as ‘not a problem’. This is plainly not the case and when the consequences become clear I would expect a good deal of resentment to surface. > > The Scottish temper is quite famous. I would like to see some of these guys return to give the SNP the benefit of their wisdom. > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRC0qQ8zA-E](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRC0qQ8zA-E) Now lets see, which nation has been banned from European Soccer competition because they are a load of vengeful thugs, and which are widely welcomed as men in skirts. If you want to trade stereotypes…take care. Glass houses etc. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/126 "2014-04-19T18:14:41Z")
Re Royal Navy Ships. Total cost of all Type 26 is projected to be £4 billion over 12 years- £.3 billion a year. Scottish GDP- £126 billion. ---
**Author:** ![filmstar-en](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/50afbb/32.png) [@filmstar-en](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmstar-en)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/127 "2014-04-19T18:17:58Z")
> [@Celyn](#): > > Nor will it damage other countries. The sun will continue to rise and set, even while George Robertson mutters on about the @forces of darkness" > > The U.K. is definitely NOT an island. Strong navy? No surface ships based in Scotland. Not much strong defence going on there. Sending a ship up from Portsmouth because you’ve (not you personally - you as in Navy chaps/chapesses) heard about it via Twitter isn’t enormously impressive. > > Actually 59 M.P.s in Westminster who wield not very much influence at all, being, you know, 59 out of 650 M.P.s How, exactly do you think it works? They don’t all turn up at once for every vote. The Scots MPs have significant influence as is clear from the number of ministers that have found their way to highest political offices in the UK including the former Prime Minister. I see, nuclear submarines, don’t count then? Ship building and repair capacity is a major defence asset. The UK is one big island and lots of smaller ones. The fact is there is a land border between England and Scotland, so the defence policy of one has a direct bearing on the other. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/128 "2014-04-19T21:20:11Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > Re Royal Navy Ships. Total cost of all Type 26 is projected to be £4 billion over 12 years- £.3 billion a year. Scottish GDP- £126 billion. Yeah, it’s not a lot as a proportion, but it is a very high-tech manufacturer based on the Clyde that will be lost. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/129 "2014-04-19T21:53:00Z")
NATO/UK Military protect Scotland from whom? Who, other than the US or maybe the rump-UK could invade Scotland? For that matter, what conventional army is going to attack England any time soon? ---
**Author:** ![filmstar-en](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/50afbb/32.png) [@filmstar-en](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmstar-en)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/130 "2014-04-20T01:51:15Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > > NATO/UK Military protect Scotland from whom? Who, other than the US or maybe the rump-UK could invade Scotland? For that matter, what conventional army is going to attack England any time soon? You may not have noticed, but those old foes, the Russians, are getting a bit leary again. Continental Europe regularly goes through periods when one power or another tried to take over the whole gaff. The UK has been threatened twice by Germany and once, most recently, by Russia in the last century. In previous centuries we had France, The Dutch and Spain. It kind of happens from time to time and it is the job of defence strategists to predict and mitigate these threats. Being a maritime nation whose prosperity depends on the continuity of free trade, these considerations are important. Moreover, I believe there are still a number of nuclear missiles pointed at the UK from the East and good number of them intended to devastate Scotland. Or at least that was the plan. Maybe Mr Salmond could come to an agreement with Mr Putin and convince him that it is the best interest of Russia to engage with Scotland on a positive bi-lateral basis and come to an equitable agreement which would involve the removal of the UK nuclear deterrent capability from Scottish territory. I am sure he would get a considerate and sympathetic hearing. Best of luck with that one! It is a nasty world out there, full of awful surprises. It is well advised to be prepared and be vigilant. Scottish Nationalist foreign policy seems to have a rather complacent view of the world which seems to ignore the lessons of history. The nuclear capability of the Trident submarines in Scotland is part of the balance of power that has preserved the peace in Europe for 50 years. If Faslane becomes unavailable, a new base will have to be found. This is an issue that compasses rather more that just the parochial concerns of Scotland and the rather vain hope that this is a UK problem, in which they need not be involved. > **[A guide to Trident and the debate about replacement](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13442735)** > > A guide to the UK's nuclear weapons system and the debate about whether or not it should be replaced. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/131 "2014-04-20T03:02:56Z")
> [@filmstar-en](#): > > The UK is one big island and lots of smaller ones. Wait, when did Gibraltar become part of Morocco? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/132 "2014-04-20T03:19:20Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Wait, when did Gibraltar become part of Morocco? Gibraltar isn’t a part of the UK. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/133 "2014-04-20T07:18:32Z")
> [@filmstar-en](#): > > You may not have noticed, but those old foes, the Russians, are getting a bit leary again. > > Continental Europe regularly goes through periods when one power or another tried to take over the whole gaff. > > The UK has been threatened twice by Germany and once, most recently, by Russia in the last century. In previous centuries we had France, The Dutch and Spain. > > It kind of happens from time to time and it is the job of defence strategists to predict and mitigate these threats. Being a maritime nation whose prosperity depends on the continuity of free trade, these considerations are important. > > Moreover, I believe there are still a number of nuclear missiles pointed at the UK from the East and good number of them intended to devastate Scotland. Or at least that was the plan. > > Maybe Mr Salmond could come to an agreement with Mr Putin and convince him that it is the best interest of Russia to engage with Scotland on a positive bi-lateral basis and come to an equitable agreement which would involve the removal of the UK nuclear deterrent capability from Scottish territory. I am sure he would get a considerate and sympathetic hearing. Best of luck with that one! > > It is a nasty world out there, full of awful surprises. It is well advised to be prepared and be vigilant. Scottish Nationalist foreign policy seems to have a rather complacent view of the world which seems to ignore the lessons of history. The nuclear capability of the Trident submarines in Scotland is part of the balance of power that has preserved the peace in Europe for 50 years. If Faslane becomes unavailable, a new base will have to be found. > > This is an issue that compasses rather more that just the parochial concerns of Scotland and the rather vain hope that this is a UK problem, in which they need not be involved. > > [A guide to Trident and the debate about replacement - BBC News](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13442735) Referring to Scottish concerns about Nuclear weapons and military adventurism as “parochial” is the sort of comment that makes Scots gnash their teeth at condescending outsiders- more grist for the mill of Scottish petty nationalism. Every time an opponent of Independence uses such derogatory lanuage, the Yes vote increases. ---
**Author:** ![Batistuta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@Batistuta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batistuta)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/134 "2014-04-20T07:51:03Z")
> [@filmstar-en](#): > > You may not have noticed, but those old foes, the Russians, are getting a bit leary again. > > Continental Europe regularly goes through periods when one power or another tried to take over the whole gaff. > > The UK has been threatened twice by Germany and once, most recently, by Russia in the last century. In previous centuries we had France, The Dutch and Spain. Still doesn’t explain why Finland, a country that shares a border with Russia and has been invaded across the border before, doesn’t need to be a member of NATO. It seems to me that NATO membership is not essential if you can play your cards well ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/135 "2014-04-20T08:14:04Z")
> [@Batistuta](#): > > Still doesn’t explain why Finland, a country that shares a border with Russia and has been invaded across the border before, doesn’t need to be a member of NATO. It seems to me that NATO membership is not essential if you can play your cards well And we have the history of Ireland which also shares a land border with the UK and used to be seen as a key strategic asset to guard the western and Atlantic approaches. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/136 "2014-04-20T08:19:11Z")
> [@filmstar-en](#): > > How, exactly do you think it works? They don’t all turn up at once for every vote. The Scots MPs have significant influence as is clear from the number of ministers that have found their way to highest political offices in the UK including the former Prime Minister. > > I see, nuclear submarines, don’t count then? Ship building and repair capacity is a major defence asset. > > The UK is one big island and lots of smaller ones. > > The fact is there is a land border between England and Scotland, so the defence policy of one has a direct bearing on the other. The Scots can always be easily outvoted when Scottish interests differ. The Atlantic Isles are an archipelago with two modern States- The Irish Republic and the UK. They share a land border. After independence there will be three modern states sharing land borders. [pedant] IOM, Jersey, Guernsey, Sark are not part of the UK [/pedant]. With the exception of the IOW most larger islands are Scottish- Hebrides, Western isles, Orkney, Shetland. I dont’ think the Irish Republic would like the characterisation of their island as similar to the other British islands- careful! ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/137 "2014-04-20T10:00:48Z")
I’m all for Scottish independence, as a way to weaken and humiliate the English. I think they have been very naughty indeed for the last three hundred years or so, and am delighted about the fact that their strangehold on the world has been slipping since WWII. Scotland breaking free would seem like yet another step in the right direction. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/138 "2014-04-20T10:21:32Z")
The Latest Poll: [http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/referendum-race-on-knife-edge-as-no-support-slides-1-3382125](http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/referendum-race-on-knife-edge-as-no-support-slides-1-3382125) "ALEX Salmond is on the brink of securing a historic victory in the referendum, according to an exclusive poll suggesting Yes Scotland needs a swing of just over 2 per cent to win independence. A landmark ICM survey for today’s Scotland on Sunday reveals a decline in the No vote from 46 per cent to 42 per cent over the past month. Over the same period, the Yes vote has remained steady at 39 per cent, resulting in a significant tightening of the gap between the two sides. When the 19 per cent “don’t knows” are excluded from the equation, the No vote stands at 52 per cent, with 48 per cent in favour of Scotland going it alone. This is the highest level of Yes support to be recorded by an independently commissioned opinion poll." ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/139 "2014-04-20T10:59:06Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > The Latest Poll: > > [http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/referendum-race-on-knife-edge-as-no-support-slides-1-3382125](http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/referendum-race-on-knife-edge-as-no-support-slides-1-3382125) > > "ALEX Salmond is on the brink of securing a historic victory in the referendum, according to an exclusive poll suggesting Yes Scotland needs a swing of just over 2 per cent to win independence. > > A landmark ICM survey for today’s Scotland on Sunday reveals a decline in the No vote from 46 per cent to 42 per cent over the past month. Over the same period, the Yes vote has remained steady at 39 per cent, resulting in a significant tightening of the gap between the two sides. > > When the 19 per cent “don’t knows” are excluded from the equation, the No vote stands at 52 per cent, with 48 per cent in favour of Scotland going it alone. This is the highest level of Yes support to be recorded by an independently commissioned opinion poll." Great, enjoy the breaking up the Union and turning the British Isles once more into a bunch of irrelevant statelets on the fringe of Europe. > **[Latest polls: Yes 38-39 No 42-46 Don't Know 16-19](https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13156509.latest-polls-yes-38-39-no-42-46-dont-know-16-19/)** > > An ICM poll for Scotland on Sunday puts the Yes vote on 39 (no change on a month before), while No was on 42 (down four points). > [@](#): > > But underneath the bonnet there are also signs that the No vote may have become a little more resilient…according to ICM, as many as 89% of No voters have definitely made up their mind, compared with only 78% of Yes supporters. The former figure is up seven points on the equivalent figure for last month, whereas the latter is only up one ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820/140 "2014-04-20T11:40:11Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Great, enjoy the breaking up the Union and turning the British Isles once more into a bunch of irrelevant statelets on the fringe of Europe. > > [Latest polls: Yes 38-39% No 42-46% Don't Know 16-19% | The Herald](http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/latest-polls-yes-38-39-no-42-46-dont-know-14-19.1397985959) The Herald is grasping at straws. The Yes vote has increased by 30% over the past few months and the No vote has shrunk. Many many are still undecided- there is much to play for. I do wish that the Better Together lot would admit that a decision for Independence would be honourable rather than some sort of fix. The Yes campaign at least trusts the people to make a decision and does not criticise the goal of the No campaign. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-some-people-enjoying-the-possible-break-up-of-the-uk/685820.md?page=8)