And since that’s how Star Trek fans feel about Doctor Who, the Star Wars kids really have an inferiority thing going.
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rjung, you do know that Lucas and Campbell were close friends and that Lucas admits that many of ideas he used in Star Wars were pulled directly from The Hero With a Thousand Faces? And yes, I do know that Lucas at one time claimed he wanted to do Flash Gordon, but couldn’t get the rights.
Oh, hey, SPOOFE, curse me like that, wouldja?
What’s in it for me? I don’t hand marriages out for free, ya know.
My eternal gratitude? Or, if that doesn’t interest you, check out my thread in the Pit about passwords. I’m sure we could work out a suitable agreement.
My eternal gratitude? Or, if that doesn’t interest you, check out my thread in the Pit about passwords. I’m sure we could work out a suitable agreement.
There’s an argument that this assertion is more like convenient revisionism.
I have a counter question, which might help answer why Star Wars Fans are defensive about their movie.
Why do people who did not like Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, or The Phantom Menace go to see Attack of the Clones? Lucas put Star Wars on the advertisements every single time, so it would seem that you could easily avoid them, once you finally caught on that it was “more of the same” kinda on purpose.
I didn’t go see Nightmare on Elm Street II. I figure I didn’t like the first one, so, . . . well, you know.
It’s a swords and sorcery epic myth, set in the future, with rockets and ray guns, for cryin’ out loud! And we get our swordsman and sorcerer to be a big geek who likes fast cars, too, which we really like! Take your realism problems and put 'em where the Force can’t reach 'em.
Tris
“Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.” ~ Carl Jung ~
As I said, I actually did enjoy episode II, and consider myself somewhat of a Star Wars fan.
The point I was trying to make, and obviously didn’t explain very well, is that Star Wars fans seem to react out of proportion to the question. The things I mentioned earlier in this thread have been literally attacked- I have seen my congressman complaining about hip-hop music, horror movies, videogames, and pornography in his capacity as my elected representative. When you see your congressman saying “Star Wars was a bad idea” he isn’t talking about the movies.
And yet those of us who enjoy those things generally don’t make a personal attack when they are questioned.
Star Wars fans should be upset when a non-fan feels the need to jump into a conversation and shit on their parade, but in the big picture it doesn’t really matter if someone thinks you’re a geek.
ArchiveGuy, I gotta say after reading the article in your link, I’m not sure who the more pompous ass is: Lucas or the guy who wrote it.
First of all, he seems to have a total lack of comprehension as to what Campbell’s work was all about (and considering his utter distain for Campbell, I’m surprised that he didn’t mention the fact that Campbell’s work draws heavily on Frazer’s The Golden Bough and T. W. Doane’s Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions).
Secondly, he seems to think that Lucas is the only director to put out one or two smash hits and have a series of flops later on. (Not to mention the fact that he totally fails to acknowledge Lucas’s American Graffitti which was a hit when it came out or THX 1138, which is a more intelligent movie than Star Wars, and that it was Francis Ford Coppola who directed Tucker: The Man and His Dream, Lucas co-produced the movie.)
Finally, he seems to think (or at least imply) that Star Wars is the only science fiction vehicle that the National Air & Space Museum has gone gaga over. Not true at all. Last time I was there, they had the original U.S.S. Enterprise model from Star Trek on display. (One of the historians for the A&SM even wrote a big article for Starlog on the restoraition work they did on the model.)
In short, he seems more pissed that his work isn’t as well-known or loved as Lucas’s, than he does at any short-comings the films might have.
Actually, the National Air & Space Museum had a major Star Trek Exhibit in 1991 for the 25th Anniversary of the classic show.
I’ve never watched a single Star Wars movie. I openly admit to that. I’ve just never been intrested.
Having said that, a close friend of mine is the exact oppisate. He waited in line for 14 hours to see Epidode 1, and was planning to do the same for Episode 2 (he lucked out-the local theater had little intrest, and he was outta there in 10 minutes). When I questioned his obsession, he gave me a four hour synopsis (is that the right word?) of why this movie kicks ass. And he’s dragging me to see it tonight.
Lordy. It’s just a movie.
Dammit, Tris! “A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away…”!!! Which direction does your watch spin?
[sub]Aside: Do you C&P your sigs so you can rotate them, or is it just habit from another board?[/sub]
Heathen! 
Lets compare, shall we?
Weirddave: Start Trek fan, marrying a georgious redhead.
SPOOFE: Star Wars fan, looks like Snufalufagus from Sesame Street and has…interesting notions of oral hygene.
How is this making your point again, SPOOFE?
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And the counter that you missed is that this is hardly unique to Star Wars fans. Any fan of any genre of any movie, book, or television series will react the same way. Whether it be Indiana Jones, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, Star Trek, Willow, Tom Clancy, Titanic, The Simpsons, Friends, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, D&D, etc. etc. etc. It’s all the same.
They act derisive of people who play the “Why didn’t they do THIS…?” game because, oftentimes, those questions are easily answered by just paying attention. And I’m not talking about buying three hundred dollars worth of sourcebooks or novels and memorizing the names of the companies that built the starfighters in the movies… I’m referring to simple arguments like “Why didn’t the Jedi use more Force Powers in AOTC?” The answer, of course, is found in the very clear interlude where Mace Windu mentions that the Jedi were losing their connection to the Force.
Such is the type of argument that SW fans - and fans of any other medium - encounter quite often. A question like that is indicative of a person who just didn’t pay attention… and if they didn’t pay attention, why bother asking questions?
My reaction to people who don’t get the things I enjoy is to say “Eh… it’s their loss”. If you compare the monthly anti-rap threads with the anti-Star Wars threads, you see a distinct difference; Star Wars fans resort to personal insults rather quickly.
Cool - a Pit thread partially based on a thread I started!
I admit (as I did in the thread), that I got my facts about TPM wrong, and I withdrew that part of my argument. But I was shocked at the vitriol in the posts telling me I got my facts wrong. (BTW, I was right about AOTC, and no one effectively defended the Jedis’ actions. :))
And the vitriol was, in my experience with fan-oriented threads in Cafe Society, unique. I’ve never seen Star Trek fans or Buffy fans, for example, get so pissy. It was an … interesting experience.
Sua
Oh, I don’t know, Sua, some Star Trek fans got pretty bent when Shatner said, “Get a life!” and so far as I know, no Star Wars fan has ever shown up for jury duty in a Jedi costume.
Tucker, I never denied that Star Trek (or Buffy) fans may well be insane. Just not pissy. 
Sua