# Why are t-shirts about god allowed in school?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [September 23, 2001, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341 "2001-09-23T15:08:21Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@ozonebaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ozonebaby)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/21 "2001-09-23T17:50:39Z")
People around me don’t care what I say and I don’t care what they say (not including you all).
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### Author:  [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/22 "2001-09-23T17:57:36Z")
But you care what they have printed on their T-shirts?
P.S.–We are decended from _primates_, as are apes. We are not decended _from_ apes. If you are going to espouse evolution, do so in an informed fashion.
[http://www.talkorigin.com](http://www.talkorigin.com)
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### Author:  [@ozonebaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ozonebaby)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/23 "2001-09-23T18:01:12Z")
No we evolved from the apes not the monkeys. Does it look like I had a tail to you? :rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@abuse\_angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abuse_angel)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/24 "2001-09-23T18:10:42Z")
wow, you were born without a tailbone? amazing…
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### Author:  [@ozonebaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ozonebaby)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/25 "2001-09-23T18:14:36Z")
Not a tailbone a tail. I said tail and I ment a tail like a monkey has not my tailbone. Sheesh! :rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/26 "2001-09-23T18:26:52Z")
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> No we evolved from the apes not the monkeys. Does it look like I had a tail to you?
Read my post, won’t you? I said that we evolved from **primates** , not apes or monkeys. We presumeably share a common ancestor with modern apes, but with a quick scan of Britanica, I can’t even find out what the name of that ancestor was, if we have identified such a thing.
In any case, you are avoiding my original question: why would a person who claims not to give a damn what people say give a damn about what people have printed on their T-shirts? I see two possibilities: either A) You _don’t_ really care, and are just looking to rabble-rouse, or B) you _do_ care but like to tell yourself you are too cool to give a damn. Neither option makes me really admire you. If there is a third possibility, please enlighten us. If there is not a third option, I suggest you let this embaresing thread die a quiet death and stick to reading (and possibly responding to) threads for a while before you start any more. Hell, two years here (and ten years on you) and I’ve found maybe two things in life that I thought worth starting a pit thread over. Trust me, slow down and you will have a better time here.
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### Author:  [@ozonebaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ozonebaby)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/27 "2001-09-23T18:32:02Z")
I am choice A and I must have not read all of your post because it was so boring. 😃
P.S. it’s embarrassing not embaresing.
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### Author:  [@ozonebaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ozonebaby)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/28 "2001-09-23T18:33:17Z")
Plus, what if I don’t want to let it die?
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### Author:  [@abuse\_angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abuse_angel)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/29 "2001-09-23T18:53:09Z")
da’ cook, if i am not mistaken the tailbone is considered to be where our tails were attached at some point during evolution.
btw, before you go around correcting everyone else’s typos, why don’t you take a look at the myriad of mistakes in your own posts?
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### Author:  [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/30 "2001-09-23T18:59:15Z")
If they are allowing people to wear religious shirts, but not, say a band shirt, that is content discrimination and it is illegal. I have a email from the ACLU about this very subject(my nephew was running afoul of a school dress code). They can only ban a shirt if it obscene or an imediate disruption, not just because it might be disruptive, or someone finds it offensive. Contact your ACLU, be persistant, and follow through. The school will back down. There a growning challenge to the constitutionallity of oppresive school dress codes, and hopefully they will be successful.
In other words, the school is not wrong for allowing the god shirts, but is wrong for not allowing other forms of expression.
I had a friend who was kicked out of school for having a mohawk(this was many years ago), and as soon as his fathers lawyer contacted the school district, they let him back in and stopped giving him hell.
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### Author:  [@FisherQueen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FisherQueen)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/31 "2001-09-23T19:29:36Z")
I worked for a school that got so sick and tired of the whole debate that they just rewrote the dress-code to forbid ALL shirts with writing on them. Not so much as “Have a nice day.” And sent home violators, too.
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### Author:  [@Anubis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anubis)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/32 "2001-09-23T19:36:03Z")
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> \*Originally posted by FisherQueen \*
> \*\*I worked for a school that got so sick and tired of the whole debate that they just rewrote the dress-code to forbid ALL shirts with writing on them. Not so much as “Have a nice day.” And sent home violators, too. \*\*
That’s harsh.
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### Author:  [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/33 "2001-09-23T19:47:12Z")
I say we outlaw all t-shirts. I want to see some naked pecs. We could all sit around, shirtless, making offerings to Pan, the goat god. It would be fun and productive.
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### Author:  [@k.os](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k.os)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/34 "2001-09-23T19:49:05Z")
One of my favorite T-Shirts is plain black, with small discrete white lettering on the left side at about chest-height. The lettering says **Godless & Proud**.Well, more like:
[sub]G o d l e s s & P r o u d[/sub]
And it has the same thing in Bold across the shoulders in the back.
Worn with a shirt, it’s just another black T-Shirt. Worn by itself, it does get reactions sometimes. But then again, I wouldn’t wear something like that to school (If I was, Which I’m not anymore.)
But I agree with the idea that if people aren’t allowed to wear T-Shirts with their favourite band or wrestler or cartoon character on them so it won’t be ‘offensive’, then no one should be allowed to wear T-Shirts with any message on them whatsoever.
The reason I put ‘offensive’ in ‘’ is that I do think that it’s the fact that the T-Shirts are offensive that got them banned, it has more to do with personnal identity and personnal expression. Both mean trouble when you’re trying to keep a large number of kids “in line” with limited ressources.
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### Author:  [@south333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/south333)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/35 "2001-09-23T20:22:52Z")
Well, I don’t know about **your** school, but at mine we are allowed to wear anything that has cussing, alcohol, sex or drugs. Another restriction we have is that we are not allowed to wear spagetti straps, short shorts/skirts or “wife beaters”. Also, no wigs.
Yeah, its strange, and some of these things are stupid, but hey, they are in charge, not me. Last I heard, we were allowed to wear evolution shirts, God shirts, anti-God shirts whatever. We can usually even get away w/ hooters shirts.
Did you ever try wearing a athiest shirt, evolution shirt, buddah shirt etc?
“It’s thought that this ancient mammal served as a common ancestor of two modern groups (i.e., orders) of mammals, the **insectivores** (e.g. moles and shrews) and the **PRIMATES** ”
-[sub][http://mickey.lcsc.edu/~msatterw/BI201/Hsapiens.html[/sub]](http://mickey.lcsc.edu/~msatterw/BI201/Hsapiens.html%5B/sub%5D)
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### Author:  [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/36 "2001-09-23T20:25:40Z")
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> \*Originally posted by FisherQueen \*
> \*\*I worked for a school that got so sick and tired of the whole debate that they just rewrote the dress-code to forbid ALL shirts with writing on them. Not so much as “Have a nice day.” And sent home violators, too. \*\*
Yeah, thats what my nephews school did, and thats what he complained to the ACLU about. They eventually backed off after a Dallas School lost a Tinker V. Demoine type lawsuit over dress code.
Students have a right to freedom of expression, and schools cant just arbitrarily step on that without reason.
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/37 "2001-09-23T20:32:53Z")
As regards the “Godless and Proud” T-shirt -
Here in my fair city, a kid was sent home because he wore a “Straight Pride” sweatshirt to high school. In the same high school, almost every classroom has a sign saying that it is OK to discuss your sexuality in this place, and no one can attack you for it.
Double standard, anyone?
Dress codes that say “no writing on any clothing” are a Good Thing - they prevent stupid arguments.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/38 "2001-09-23T21:52:11Z")
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> \*Originally posted by da’ cook \*
> \*\*CALMLY!!! I have never been calm in ever in my entire life! \*\*
I suggest you start learning how, or else your life will be a very difficult and frustrating one.
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### Author:  [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2001, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/39 "2001-09-23T23:36:13Z")
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> \*Originally posted by RickJay \*
> \*\*
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> > \*Originally posted by da’ cook \*
> > \*\*CALMLY!!! I have never been calm in ever in my entire life! \*\*
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> I suggest you start learning how, or else your life will be a very difficult and frustrating one. \*\*
Many people become rich and famous without ever doing anything calmly. Just ask Jerry Falwell.
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### Author:  [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2001, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-t-shirts-about-god-allowed-in-school/83341/40 "2001-09-24T01:27:03Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Manda JO \*
> A) You _don’t_ really care, and are just looking to rabble-rouse, . . .
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> da’ cook said:
> I am choice A
Hmm . . .
Oh, and **da’ fool**? Let’s not get into an “I can correct your spelling/grammar/typos/punctuation/syntax/semantics” contest, hmmm? I promise you’ll lose.
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