# Why are the media ignoring the protest against the ground zero mosque? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 8, 2010, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367 "2010-06-08T00:48:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/241 "2010-06-11T17:13:29Z")
When people make reasoned arguments, you ignore them and keep gibbering on, which proves the old truism about people like you being immune to facts. So why would anyone continue to waste their time with Harvard tactics? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/242 "2010-06-11T17:30:46Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **Perciful** , we’ve had a few threads about the mosque including this one. Read one and you might learn something. Don’t count on it. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/243 "2010-06-11T17:46:09Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > Very mature, well-reasoned argument. Yale, Harvard or Oxford? _points up at the header_ The BBQ Pit, dumbfuck. You chose this venue, you deal with it. If you want reasoned debate, reopen it in GD and we’ll tear you apart there like we’ve already done, with fewer insults. I understand if you don’t want to do that, since you’ve shown a cognitive ability lower than my cat (who has demonstrated that she can learn the difference between “murderous intruder” and “polite guest” with some prompting, unlike you) so it might be frustrating for you. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/244 "2010-06-11T17:51:48Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > _points up at the header_ The BBQ Pit, dumbfuck. You chose this venue, you deal with it. If you want reasoned debate, reopen it in GD and we’ll tear you apart there like we’ve already done, with fewer insults. Er…as deserved of insults as I think the OP is, he _did_ open this in GD. It got tossed to the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/245 "2010-06-11T17:52:29Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > _points up at the header_ The BBQ Pit, dumbfuck. You chose this venue, you deal with it. If you want reasoned debate, reopen it in GD and we’ll tear you apart there like we’ve already done, with fewer insults. He did open the thread in GD. It was moved to the Pit in post 83. So there’s close to two pages of factual arguments and other things. As you can see they’ve had no effect, just like many other **Valteron** screechings in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/246 "2010-06-11T18:18:50Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > He did open the thread in GD. It was moved to the Pit in post 83. So there’s close to two pages of factual arguments and other things. As you can see they’ve had no effect, just like many other **Valteron** screechings in the past. Oh, my mistake. Edit my above to “if you want a debate, don’t sling retarded insults and vitriol until tomndebb shows up.” ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/247 "2010-06-11T18:26:57Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > He did open the thread in GD. It was moved to the Pit in post 83. So there’s close to two pages of factual arguments and other things. As you can see they’ve had no effect, just like many other **Valteron** screechings in the past. I love the way people assume that you must be ignoring their arguments if you have not been convinced by them. I have read them all. I find they are mostly apologetics by multiculturalists who want to close their eyes to an agressive, anti-democratic, theocratic and authoritarian ideology that is the principal threat to our western freedoms. Millions of adherents of this ideology have been and are being admitted to our western democracies and are forming ghettoes in large cities where they continue to insist that their ways must prevail, often when they are in direct violation of our democratic values. But a long, hard look at immigration from Muslim countries is not something that the PC crowd will stomach. Even Muammar al-Gaddafi has said that Islam will conquer Europe simply by population increase. But we can’t discuss that or we run the risk of being called racist and Nazis, as I have been called here. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/248 "2010-06-11T18:40:30Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > I love the way people assume that you must be ignoring their arguments if you have not been convinced by them. I have read them all. And ignored the fact therein. Or if you didn’t ignore them, they failed to penetrate your skull and get to the gooey stuff inside (presumably nougat). ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/249 "2010-06-11T18:43:26Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > Even Muammar al-Gaddafi has said that Islam will conquer Europe simply by population increase. [If this guy said it, it must be true!](http://www.raptureready.com/photo/antichrists/ac-gaddafi.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4bbf92/32.png) [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Hamsandwich)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/250 "2010-06-11T18:56:35Z")
> [@](#): > > You appear to be the product of some bizarre human and used douche mating experiment. **Zerial** , PLEASE let me use this as my sig. This IS awesomeness. ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/251 "2010-06-11T19:07:08Z")
I got better things to do than trade insults with people whose PC blindness makes them unable to see what is happening under their noses. Like for example, networking with the fast-growing groups of people who are working to defend our society and its values, using the legal, non-violent and democratic means that our ancestors fought for. You will not see me on any YouTube videos cutting off people’s heads. But the world will know that the west is ready to defend itself. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/252 "2010-06-11T19:17:38Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > I got better things to do than trade insults with people whose PC blindness makes them unable to see what is happening under their noses. If this thread is any indication, you really don’t. Trading insults would be a step up from xenophobia. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/253 "2010-06-11T20:08:49Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > I got better things to do than trade insults with people whose PC blindness makes them unable to see what is happening under their noses. Like for example, networking with the fast-growing groups of people who are working to defend our society and its values, using the legal, non-violent and democratic means that our ancestors fought for. You will not see me on any YouTube videos cutting off people’s heads. But the world will know that the west is ready to defend itself. Well, frankly, that would be best for you. I mean, seriously, look dispassionately at how you deliberately misrepresented your initial premise, and at the hysterical and hostile tone of nearly all your replies. You are an even more inept advocate for your position than **Rand Rover** and **Starving Artist** are for theirs, and that’s saying something. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/254 "2010-06-11T20:09:43Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > But we can’t discuss that or we run the risk of being called racist and Nazis, as I have been called here. You want to discuss this without being called a racist or a Nazi? How about this for size, clown: I support 100% of the following positions: 1. No implementation of anything like religious-dogmatic law or weakening the separation of church and state should happen. Ever. 2. Legal structures that allow people to resolve their disputes with arbitration by whatever criteria must have a provision that allows for a party to the arbitration who considers themselves under duress of any kind to break the arbitration and move into the full legal system. 3. There should be funding by the government safety net/welfare structures specifically earmarked for the vicitims of cultural coercion to break their ties and escape those coercions, with Witness Protection levels of police protection and relocation if necessary. Put it all in the Constitution! Amazingly, that will stop 100% of what you’re worried about with Muslims–they will NEVER immigrate fast enough to overcome their attrition as immigrants assimilate the democratic ideals of the western nations and gain a supermajority. Amazingly further, it also stops FLDS whackos, Christian Dominionists, irritatingly misogynistic Orthodox Jewish communities, and any other you care to name. And all that without legislating against Islam, or protesting a goddamn liberal mosque, or in fact being bigoted at all. Holy shit, it’s the power of actually addressing the real problems instead of being a bigot! Go me! > [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](#): > > **Zerial** , PLEASE let me use this as my sig. This IS awesomeness. Permission granted, sir! ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/255 "2010-06-11T20:11:41Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > _points up at the header_ The BBQ Pit, dumbfuck. You chose this venue, you deal with it. If you want reasoned debate, reopen it in GD and we’ll tear you apart there like we’ve already done, with fewer insults. > > I understand if you don’t want to do that, since you’ve shown a cognitive ability lower than my cat (who has demonstrated that she can learn the difference between “murderous intruder” and “polite guest” with some prompting, unlike you) so it might be frustrating for you. Uh, somebody might do some tearing apart, but it won’t be you. You’re a fucking idiot and I’m quite sure your cat is 99% of the IQ points in your house. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/256 "2010-06-11T20:19:28Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Uh, somebody might do some tearing apart, but it won’t be you. You’re a fucking idiot and I’m quite sure your cat is 99% of the IQ points in your house. Excuse me, but adults are talking here. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/257 "2010-06-11T20:21:53Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Excuse me, but adults are talking here. Not in the Pit. Pretty sure it’s against the rules to be an adult in here. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/258 "2010-06-11T20:28:26Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Not in the Pit. Pretty sure it’s against the rules to be an adult in here. I don’t know, I always have more fun when it’s GD, only with ridiculous vitriol. It’s no fun to curse someone out if you’re not also at least making a good-faith effort to win the argument. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/259 "2010-06-11T20:36:04Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Excuse me, but adults are talking here. You wouldn’t know. You’ve never had one, and the doctors at your asylum never have them around you. Do they know you’re on the computer again? If breathing required thought, you’d be a goner. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/260 "2010-06-11T21:19:48Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > > [@Zeriel](#): > > > > Excuse me, but adults are talking here. > > You wouldn’t know. You’ve never had one, and the doctors at your asylum never have them around you. Do they know you’re on the computer again? If breathing required thought, you’d be a goner. Never had one what? When come back, bring sense. Are you planning on actually bringing anything of substance, by the way, or should I just ignore your pitiful mewlings? Say what you will about Valteron (and I have!), he at least is attempting, in his mediocre and ham-fisted way, to bring an argument. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367.md?page=14)