# Why are the media ignoring the protest against the ground zero mosque? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 8, 2010, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367 "2010-06-08T00:48:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/21 "2010-06-08T03:01:22Z")
Oddly, I only see the main stream media, and I heard about this. Perhaps you won’t know what the main stream media is reporting on if you only see the non-main stream media. And that may explain why I didn’t see any coverage of this in the non-main stream media. Hey, why didn’t the non-main stream media cover this? It must be because they are anti-religious and would prefer a building dedicated to atheism on that site. There couldn’t be any other explanation. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/22 "2010-06-08T03:01:30Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > Has anyone noticed that this centre that the Muslims want to build near ground zero is named “Cordoba House”? But wait, Cordoba is in Spain, is it not? The same Spain that has been subjected to bloody attacks by Muslim terrorists in recent years? > > It is true that Cordoba was the capital of a major Caliphate when the Muslims occupied Spain, before the Spanish fought off their rule. But modern Spain is not a Muslim country, and has not been for over four centuries. So why name it Cordoba House? > > Because, in the Muslim vision of world conquest, once a land has been conquered for Islam, it must be taken back for Islam. This is why Muslims can never accept Israel. This is why Muslims seriously discuss taking back Spain. > > Cordoba House. Nice touch. Out of curiosity, how’s those Glenn Beck motivational tapes I sent you commin’ along? [😛](http://watch.thecomedynetwork.ca/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart/full-episodes/#clip280323) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/23 "2010-06-08T03:17:05Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > In the first place I am a left-winger. But as someone who believes in gender equality, freedom of speech (including the right to draw cartoons), freedom of religion, separation of church and state, and as a gay person and an atheist myself, Islam scares the f\*\*\*\*g crap out of me. The reason I am abandoning the left is that THEY have sold me out in the name of political correctness. Tell a leftist that Islam is brutally, murderously homophobic and what do they tell you? You can’t hold them to the same standards, they need time to change, jaddda, jadda, jadda. Why do you think organizations like the English Defence League have an LGBT wing? > > In the second place, has it occurred to you that there is a difference between what Muslims know about Islam and what they are willing to tell you? What does this rant have to do with the subject of this thread? You know, the subject you selected when you opened it. ---
**Author:** ![Nametag](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nametag/32/406_2.png) [@Nametag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nametag)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/24 "2010-06-08T03:19:14Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > It’s Manhattan. A guy having heart attack on the sidewalk should draw a bigger crowd than that. It’s Manhattan. A guy having his heart burst out of his chest and dance a merengue wouldn’t draw a crowd, just a huddle of small-time show-biz agents. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/25 "2010-06-08T03:20:13Z")
> [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](#): > > I read it in the New York Times. You guys saw it on CNN. What else you want for a minor local issue? Well, I should mention that the talk radio blowhards have been trying to whip up hysteria over this for weeks, if not months. I hear about it nearly every day on the local outlet for right-wing blarney. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/26 "2010-06-08T03:45:28Z")
> [@Nametag](#): > > It’s Manhattan. A guy having his heart burst out of his chest and dance a merengue wouldn’t draw a crowd, just a huddle of small-time show-biz agents. Of course! The guy just lost his heart. The agents are celebrating the birth of one of their own. ---
**Author:** ![AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/27 "2010-06-08T05:17:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Islam scares the f\*\*\*\*g crap out of me. The reason I am abandoning the left is that THEY have sold me out in the name of political correctness. Tell a leftist that Islam is brutally, murderously homophobic and what do they tell you? You can’t hold them to the same standards, they need time to change, jaddda, jadda, jadda. Why do you think organizations like the English Defence League have an LGBT wing? It’s the freaking FUNDIE wing of Islam that is scaring you. FUNDIE. ANY fundie wing of any regligion is scary. Look at Christian Identiy or some of the fundies who go to Bob Jones University. ---
**Author:** ![ironbender](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ba8739/32.png) [@ironbender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ironbender)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/28 "2010-06-08T06:27:37Z")
> [@Cat\_Fight](#): > > Ironically, these are probably the same people who think 9/11 was an inside job. Why would people that think 9/11 was an inside job care if a mosque was built near ground zero? We already know muslims had nothing to do with it, other than to be the patsy. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/29 "2010-06-08T06:44:28Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > It is true that Cordoba was the capital of a major Caliphate when the Muslims occupied Spain, before the Spanish fought off their rule. But modern Spain is not a Muslim country, and has not been for over four centuries. So why name it Cordoba House? > > Because, in the Muslim vision of world conquest, once a land has been conquered for Islam, it must be taken back for Islam. This is why Muslims can never accept Israel. This is why Muslims seriously discuss taking back Spain. :rolleyes: Somehow, I doubt that there’s any name that the Cordoba Initiative people **could** have chosen that you wouldn’t perceive as part of a sinister jihadi conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/30 "2010-06-08T07:00:09Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > Has anyone noticed that this centre that the Muslims want to build near ground zero is named “Cordoba House”? But wait, Cordoba is in Spain, is it not? The same Spain that has been subjected to bloody attacks by Muslim terrorists in recent years? > > It is true that Cordoba was the capital of a major Caliphate when the Muslims occupied Spain, before the Spanish fought off their rule. But modern Spain is not a Muslim country, and has not been for over four centuries. So why name it Cordoba House? > > Because, in the Muslim vision of world conquest, once a land has been conquered for Islam, it must be taken back for Islam. This is why Muslims can never accept Israel. This is why Muslims seriously discuss taking back Spain. > > Cordoba House. Nice touch. No, I hadn’t noticed it. From my readings, I do remember that Cordoba had a few good centuries as a place where Christian, Jewish & Muslim cultures thrived. Look, [there’s a website](http://www.cordobainitiative.org/)! > [@](#): > > Solving some of the most intractable conflicts in the world today requires innovative strategies for cross-cultural engagement. Cordoba Initiative tackles this mandate with forethought, expertise and the ability to leverage contacts in influential positions within the Muslim World and the West. Thinking outside the box about international and intercultural conflict resolution also means thinking introspectively about each side’s place within its own historical narrative with a view to devising internally oriented solutions. A few too many buzz words for me, but these folks hardly sound like dangerous radicals. Your views are well known here. But you’ll be safe up there in Canada! ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/31 "2010-06-08T10:48:00Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > No, I hadn’t noticed it. From my readings, I do remember that Cordoba had a few good centuries as a place where Christian, Jewish & Muslim cultures thrived. Look, [there’s a website](http://www.cordobainitiative.org/)! Um. . . . . yes. The Christians and Jews “thrived” under Muslim conquest and domination, paying the special tax charged to Dhimmis. After decades of struggle Christian Spain got out from under Muslim domination. No pleasing some people!:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/32 "2010-06-08T10:50:15Z")
> [@AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](#): > > It’s the freaking FUNDIE wing of Islam that is scaring you. FUNDIE. ANY fundie wing of any regligion is scary. Look at Christian Identiy or some of the fundies who go to Bob Jones University. But the Left does not tell me that Bob Jones University or Christian Fundies cannot be held to the same western standard of toleranmce, now do they? ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/33 "2010-06-08T10:54:45Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > What does this rant have to do with the subject of this thread? You know, the subject you selected when you opened it. If you will read back, it was assumed that I am a right-winger. Anyone who expresses alarm about the spread of this anti-democratic, intolerant and brutal ideology of world conquest that is Islam is automatically hammered with the title of “racist” (even though Islam is not a race) and “right-winger” or “fascist”, even though the fascistic behaviour is clearly a Muslim trait. ---
**Author:** ![BarryB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d78d45/32.png) [@BarryB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarryB)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/34 "2010-06-08T10:55:34Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > It is true that Cordoba was the capital of a major Caliphate when the Muslims occupied Spain, before the Spanish fought off their rule. No, it was the capital of a major Caliphate when the Muslims were rulers of Spain, before it collapsed into regional kingdoms. Eventually these kingdoms were taken over by Visigothic successor kingdoms. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/35 "2010-06-08T11:54:22Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > If you will read back, it was assumed that I am a right-winger. Anyone who expresses alarm about the spread of this anti-democratic, intolerant and brutal ideology of world conquest that is Islam is automatically hammered with the title of “racist” (even though Islam is not a race) and “right-winger” or “fascist”, even though the fascistic behaviour is clearly a Muslim trait. Who called anyone a racist or a fascist here? ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/36 "2010-06-08T12:05:22Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > Who called anyone a racist or a fascist here? Doing a quick text search in the thread, **Valteron** is the only one throwing around the term “racist.” I am sad for him that nobody is taking him up on his little straw man. Poor **Valteron**. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/37 "2010-06-08T12:10:48Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > In the second place, has it occurred to you that there is a difference between what Muslims know about Islam and what they are willing to tell you? Do they hand out toasters the way you folks do? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/38 "2010-06-08T12:15:25Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > After decades of struggle Christian Spain got out from under Muslim domination. No pleasing some people!:rolleyes: And promptly expelled/murdered/forced conversion on all the Muslims and Jews. Nice Christian values… ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/39 "2010-06-08T12:22:22Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > Um. . . . . yes. The Christians and Jews “thrived” under Muslim conquest and domination, paying the special tax charged to Dhimmis. After decades of struggle Christian Spain got out from under Muslim domination. No pleasing some people!:rolleyes: Actually, the Cordoba Caliphate was the peak of Muslim civilization in Spain, with knowledge exchanged among its various communities while The Dark Ages covered most of Europe. It fell apart in civil war & less enlightened Muslim rulers followed. So “Cordoba” really does mean a period of tolerance–not just Muslim domination. After the _Reconquista_, Spain kicked out its Muslims & Jews or made them convert. _Conversos_ suspected of backsliding faced the Inquisition. Armed with the Cross, Spain went on to conquer a New World. I don’t swallow The Black Legend that preaches how the Protestant conquerors were less cruel; they preferred to kill the indigenes or exile them & take their land, rather than try to convert them. But does Volteron truly approve of the Conquistadors? (That “Um. . . . . yes” is just _so_ 12 year old girl.) ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367/40 "2010-06-08T12:23:56Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > But the Left does not tell me that Bob Jones University or Christian Fundies cannot be held to the same western standard of toleranmce, now do they? I don’t see anybody here telling you that Islamic fundamentalists shouldn’t be held to the same standard of tolerance that we expect from everybody in a free democratic society. Ironically, this same Cordoba Initiative that you’re all upset about because of their plans for building an institute in Manhattan seems to be trying to promote exactly the same mission of tolerance and interfaith respect in and for Islam that you’re complaining Islam doesn’t have enough of. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-media-ignoring-the-protest-against-the-ground-zero-mosque/542367.md?page=3)