# Why are the moderators here biased and intellectually dishonest? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [July 1, 2010, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149 "2010-07-01T02:37:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/21 "2010-07-01T03:11:52Z")
Well, **Poptech** , at least you’ve stuck around to defend your arguments, which is more than most CT crackpots do. The oversized text, though… well, you _can_ but I wouldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/22 "2010-07-01T03:12:02Z")
I would have figured the presence of the word crackpot to be sufficient for comprehension. It’s not exactly vague or positive. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/23 "2010-07-01T03:12:30Z")
Complaints about moderation go in About This Message Board. I’ll move this for you from the Pit. **Gfactor** Administrator ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/24 "2010-07-01T03:12:52Z")
Yeah, but I haven’t slept in… damn. ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/25 "2010-07-01T03:14:24Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > Complaints about moderation go in About This Message Board. I’ll move this for you from the Pit. > > **Gfactor** > Administrator Oh, we’ve come full-circle back to: “In a previous discussion here a moderator stated lies and created fraudulent charges against me to censor my thread to this section of the forums.” ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/26 "2010-07-01T03:25:45Z")
> [@Poptech](#): > > Ah no I do not support any conspiracy theory, 911, JFK ect… yet the mod accused me of this. You may not “support any conspiracy theory,” but, at least in the realm of message board posting, you _act_ like a conspiracy theorist: offering controversial and adverse criticism of governmental policy and action via a wall of links and neglecting to make a lucid, articulate, reasoned argument for your position, which you don’t even state. Typically, the links are one-sided (surely you can find counter-arguments?), allegedly supporting the OP. This is eerily similar to many “9/11 was an inside job” “arguments” I’ve encountered from conspiracy theorists. In regards to this thread, your claims remain unsubstantiated; classical CT behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/27 "2010-07-01T03:27:06Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > Complaints about moderation go in About This Message Board. I’ll move this for you from the Pit. > > **Gfactor** > Administrator You’re setting yourself up for another cryptic pitting, you know? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/28 "2010-07-01T03:28:30Z")
> [@Poptech](#): > > My question is why are the moderators here biased an intellectually dishonest? After a while the handcuffs and ladies lingerie stop giving that thrill. You gotta get your kicks where you can, ya know? ---
**Author:** ![Poptech](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/poptech/32/7292_2.png) [@Poptech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poptech)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/29 "2010-07-01T03:32:57Z")
Moderator tomndebb fabricated lies about what I stated and my motives and when I refuted all of them he just repeated them and used the lies and fraudulent claims to move my thread. He insisted I provided evidence to support the my claim that people believed no peer-reviewed papers exists supporting skepticism of “man-made” global warming and when I did irrefutably by linking to U.S. Senator John Kerry’s own words he fabricated a new magical criteria that “scientists must be against my position for it to be a valid argument”! Someone please explain how an argument can be invalid if a standing U.S. Senator’s own words is a source I am arguing against? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/30 "2010-07-01T03:33:50Z")
It’s the age-old question: Does the SDMB attract bad mods? Or do good mods turn bad under the influence of the SDMB? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/31 "2010-07-01T03:44:37Z")
I think all of **Poptech** ’s questions have been answered in depth in the thread and in private messages, which makes this thread kind of academic. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/32 "2010-07-01T03:46:20Z")
> [@Poptech](#): > > Moderator tomndebb fabricated lies about what I stated and my motives and when I refuted all of them he just repeated them and used the lies and fraudulent claims to move my thread. If by “fabricated lies” you mean “eviscerated your stacked strawmen with surgical precision”, I would agree. Otherwise, not so much. And the moving thread thing? Mods get to do that. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/33 "2010-07-01T03:53:50Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > It’s the age-old question: Does the SDMB attract bad mods? Or do good mods turn bad under the influence of the SDMB? I know that I was a much better person before I started to mod here. Can’t speak for tomndebb. Although, I have to say that he’s gonna keep me out of heaven(whatever that is) because I caused him to moderate on this board. I feel so guilty. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Poptech](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/poptech/32/7292_2.png) [@Poptech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poptech)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/34 "2010-07-01T03:55:15Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > You may not “support any conspiracy theory,” but, at least in the realm of message board posting, you _act_ like a conspiracy theorist: offering controversial and adverse criticism of governmental policy and action via a wall of links and neglecting to make a lucid, articulate, reasoned argument for your position, which you don’t even state. Typically, the links are one-sided (surely you can find counter-arguments?), allegedly supporting the OP. This is eerily similar to many “9/11 was an inside job” “arguments” I’ve encountered from conspiracy theorists. In regards to this thread, your claims remain unsubstantiated; classical CT behavior. Wait so criticizing potential future government policy is conspiratorial? Are you serious? My argument was explicit and I stated my position. I provided links to what I was arguing against when requested. The 911 conspiracy theory analogy is ironic as I have written explicitly against these theories, [Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories](http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/06/debunking-911-conspiracy-theories.html) ---
**Author:** ![Poptech](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/poptech/32/7292_2.png) [@Poptech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poptech)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/35 "2010-07-01T03:56:15Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > If by “fabricated lies” you mean “eviscerated your stacked strawmen with surgical precision”, I would agree. Otherwise, not so much. And the moving thread thing? Mods get to do that. What strawman would that be? ---
**Author:** ![Poptech](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/poptech/32/7292_2.png) [@Poptech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poptech)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/36 "2010-07-01T03:59:40Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I think all of **Poptech** ’s questions have been answered in depth in the thread and in private messages, which makes this thread kind of academic. No they haven’t. You have further stated new lies about me insulting other posters. Please name who I insulted and when. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/37 "2010-07-01T04:12:57Z")
> [@Poptech](#): > > Please name who I insulted and when. Well, so far, you’ve said that **tomndebb** and **Marley23** have posted lies, which isn’t very nice. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/38 "2010-07-01T04:13:04Z")
> [@Poptech](#): > > No they haven’t. You have further stated new lies about me insulting other posters. Please name who I insulted and when. In just the current thread? Most of the following comments were not modded as personal insults but they’re nonetheless derogatory of individual posters or of the group that was arguing with you: > [@Do Peer-Reviewed papers exists supporting skepticism of "man-made" global warming alarm?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-peer-reviewed-papers-exists-supporting-skepticism-of-man-made-global-warming-alarm/544420/249): > > I do not have control over these things all of which is irrelevant to this thread and the lack of intellectual honesty displayed by some posters here. I am sure you and others here would be interested in spamming the posts there anonymously with propaganda so I will not be recommending it. > [@Do Peer-Reviewed papers exists supporting skepticism of "man-made" global warming alarm?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-peer-reviewed-papers-exists-supporting-skepticism-of-man-made-global-warming-alarm/544420/246): > > I am disappointed to see this same juvenile level of debate here and the desperate need to attempt to associate skeptics with creationists and conspiracy theorists. I was hoping for some level of intellectual honesty, I guess I asked for to much. > [@Do Peer-Reviewed papers exists supporting skepticism of "man-made" global warming alarm?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-peer-reviewed-papers-exists-supporting-skepticism-of-man-made-global-warming-alarm/544420/236): > > **How to identify an alarmist** - Alarmists can be identified by the use of the word “denier” and/or attempts to associate skeptics with creationists, conspiracy theorists, energy companies, or politically right-wing groups. > > Intellectually honest inquisitors do not behave like this. > [@Do Peer-Reviewed papers exists supporting skepticism of "man-made" global warming alarm?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-peer-reviewed-papers-exists-supporting-skepticism-of-man-made-global-warming-alarm/544420/226): > > Bringing up the non-science of creationism is a sign of intellectual dishonesty as I have made no mention of it and have no association with them. > [@Do Peer-Reviewed papers exists supporting skepticism of "man-made" global warming alarm?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-peer-reviewed-papers-exists-supporting-skepticism-of-man-made-global-warming-alarm/544420/224): > > He hasn’t shown me anything. Why you keep repeating these smears I have no idea. ---
**Author:** ![Poptech](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/poptech/32/7292_2.png) [@Poptech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poptech)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/39 "2010-07-01T04:15:41Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > In just the current thread? Most of the following comments were not modded as personal insults but they’re nonetheless derogatory of individual posters or of the group that was arguing with you: No they were factual statements. So Marley why are you ignoring similar comments made by the other posters towards me? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149/40 "2010-07-01T04:16:30Z")
> [@Poptech](#): > > Wait so criticizing potential future government policy is conspiratorial? That IMHO is why this guy is continuing to fail. The problem here is that this is really a different issue. **It is OK to criticize future government policy** , the problem is that instead of concentrating on that he is posting sources that attack the science itself. Sources that are wrong or misleading and that do not shy away from directly saying that the scientists are involved in a conspiracy. The sad thing was that I did agree that Kerry was wrong there, there are indeed papers that are skeptical of AGW, we just disagree on how many and how relevant they are. But the fact is this: criticizing future government action does not mean that one should necessary dump the science or the scientists. For example: I believe that bio fuels from stuff that could be used for food are really a horrible idea. Many Cap and trade plans offered are looking to be unjust if implemented. So there are many reasons why one can oppose future government policies, attempting to discredit the science is really an unnecessary and reckless step on the way to convince others… Specially in a board that even attracts scientists like **jshore**! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-moderators-here-biased-and-intellectually-dishonest/545149.md?page=3)