# Why are the Trump defectors having such little impact on the polls and Trump's chances? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 7, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041 "2020-09-07T17:35:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/182 "2020-09-09T16:39:05Z")
> [@thickpancreas](#): > > … we have emboldened a culture that’s so politically correct and tolerant of poor behavior we consider it racist to be hesitant to hire Lakisha who has 2 kids at 17 years old and showed up 10 minutes late to interview. Did you read the part about the resumes being identical? Why would someone assume Lakisha but not Emily “has 2 kids at 17 years old”? ---
**Author:** ![thickpancreas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@thickpancreas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thickpancreas)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/183 "2020-09-09T16:39:49Z")
Nope, I am saying not all black people support BLM. ---
**Author:** ![thickpancreas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@thickpancreas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thickpancreas)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/184 "2020-09-09T16:41:34Z")
Yes, the study is common knowledge, i read about it long before you posted it here. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/185 "2020-09-09T16:41:34Z")
In my experience and understanding of public polling, all black people think that black lives should matter. Which is the message of BLM. ---
**Author:** ![thickpancreas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@thickpancreas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thickpancreas)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/186 "2020-09-09T16:42:11Z")
Of course, but saying that all black lives matter is different than supporting BLM. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/187 "2020-09-09T16:45:58Z")
You’ve acknowledged its existence, but – a bit inexplicably – haven’t discussed its importance or its implications. Pull your pants up, AND change your name, then … or … what ? What’s Obama supposed to tell people when this is what they’re up against ? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/188 "2020-09-09T16:49:12Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Why is it that “personal responsibility” and “poor choices” are only ever pointed at those on the losing side of the equation ? Well, because they are the ones who exhibit the external symptoms that make people point the lecturing finger. Nobody points a finger at a wealthy man who owns a million-dollar mansion and three Ferraris and says “You need to take responsibility for your poor choices.” He’d reply, “_ **What** _ poor choices? I’m financially better off than 99.99 percent of the planet.” But if it’s a broke drug-addicted welfare mother with three kids who is missing all her teeth and has syphilis, then yes, society lectures her for lack of responsibility and poor choices. I’m not saying it’s right, I’m saying it’s how society thinks. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/189 "2020-09-09T16:54:29Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Well, because they are the ones who exhibit the external symptoms that make people point the lecturing finger. Nobody points a finger at a wealthy man who owns a million-dollar mansion and three Ferraris and says “You need to take responsibility for your poor choices.” He’d reply, “ _ **What** _ poor choices? I’m financially better off than 99.99 percent of the planet.” I see that you said that this is not right indeed. And in light of what a difference it makes to have schools or groups that also help the economical well being of the parents of the students in breaking the bad cycle… One answer to that rich guy is that his choice is a poor one for the community at large, because clearly a lot of crime and people being a burden to the state are a result of that choice. ---
**Author:** ![thickpancreas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@thickpancreas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thickpancreas)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/190 "2020-09-09T17:00:40Z")
Your testimony doesn’t dismiss mine just because you said it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/191 "2020-09-09T17:02:20Z")
Missing the point, your testimony is OK, but not the conclusion you made, you are wrong still, and more so when you show to all that you are **still** not dealing with the evidence posted already. ---
**Author:** ![thickpancreas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@thickpancreas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thickpancreas)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/192 "2020-09-09T17:02:45Z")
What evidence am I not dealing with? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/193 "2020-09-09T17:03:47Z")
"Explain exactly what you want the government to _do_. 🦗 🦗 🦗 ---
**Author:** ![thickpancreas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@thickpancreas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thickpancreas)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/194 "2020-09-09T17:04:52Z")
I explained exactly what I wanted from Obama, that was how this started originally. I even said he could still do it, now, while he’s out of office. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/195 "2020-09-09T17:04:57Z")
> [@thickpancreas](#): > > I already addressed this in another comment. Please re read the thread. No need. I simply disagree with your assertion that politicians care about people who don’t vote. You have made the assertion that by not voting, your voice will be considered to be more important that those who do, but you have not made any sort of argument to back that up. You do know that no one knows how you vote. So they don’t know if you are a dependable voter for their party or not. They don’t know if they can take you for granted or not. All they know is that you vote. And if you don’t vote, they don’t give a shit about you. Can you explain why you think otherwise? Other than your assertion that youdo? > [@Velocity](#): > > But if it’s a broke drug-addicted welfare mother with three kids who is missing all her teeth and has syphilis, then yes, society lectures her for lack of responsibility and poor choices. And when that broke drug-addicted welfare mother with three kids who is missing all her teeth and has syphilis is white, does society condemn “white culture”, say that we need to have an uncomfortable conversation about the choices that white people make? ---
**Author:** ![thickpancreas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@thickpancreas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thickpancreas)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/196 "2020-09-09T17:05:06Z")
I’ve actually stated that several times now. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/197 "2020-09-09T17:05:16Z")
> [@thickpancreas](#): > > What evidence am I not dealing with? Well, besides confirming that you are skipping posts and being rude, it was in post #159. And then my following post reporting on how other people besides black students can get into the “culture” you are talking about. That was not very convincing, the evidence shows that it is mostly poverty that causes that type of defeatist culture. ---
**Author:** ![thickpancreas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@thickpancreas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thickpancreas)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/198 "2020-09-09T17:06:19Z")
actually yes, white culture does condemn it. They unabashedly call people like that white trash lol ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/199 "2020-09-09T17:08:59Z")
You’ve said that there needs to be an uncomfortable conversation, but you have not said what that conversation would be. How would it go. What should Obama have said? Be specific. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/200 "2020-09-09T17:09:32Z")
> [@thickpancreas](#): > > actually yes, white culture does condemn it. They unabashedly call people like that white trash lol I really wonder why would you think that helps your position, it actually shows that besides racism, classism is still a big part of the efforts of many conservatives into not bothering to do better about helping the poor in the USA. ---
**Author:** ![thickpancreas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@thickpancreas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thickpancreas)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/201 "2020-09-09T17:09:40Z")
to the accusations that I am skipping posts…I am one person replying to 5 others on a cell phone, forgive me if I must refer you to previous answers in this same post as a matter of practicality. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041.md?page=11)