# Why are the Trump defectors having such little impact on the polls and Trump's chances? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 7, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041 "2020-09-07T17:35:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/162 "2020-09-09T16:21:01Z")
> [@thickpancreas](#): > > It is a cultural problem within the black community itself, encouraged by a number of outside and internal factors that is left unaddressed because in the current political climate questioning it would be considered racist. I look forward to the :cough: final solution Trump’s most loyal supporters will suggest for the ‘’‘cultural problem within the black community’‘’. ---
**Author:** ![thickpancreas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@thickpancreas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thickpancreas)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/163 "2020-09-09T16:21:44Z")
Oh please ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/164 "2020-09-09T16:24:12Z")
Why is it that “personal responsibility” and “poor choices” are only ever pointed at those on the losing side of the equation ? How do so many Americans not see the “Black Lives Matter” casualties as victims, but DO see Donald Trump – a wealthy, white, (ostensibly) Christian male who happens to be the leader of the free world – as a victim ? ---
**Author:** ![thickpancreas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@thickpancreas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thickpancreas)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/165 "2020-09-09T16:24:49Z")
remember how mentioned these conversations as being nearly impossible to have in any productive way, Quicksilver? I refer you to crows post. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/166 "2020-09-09T16:25:32Z")
…says the guy who childishly slurs a political party of millions for no reason other than to annoy and own the libs… Such posts aren’t really the type that encourage “productive” conversations. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/167 "2020-09-09T16:26:35Z")
Worse, someone that still hasn’t explained exactly what he wants the government to _do_. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/168 "2020-09-09T16:26:55Z")
Thanks, Quicksilver. My point is that instead of calling people “deplorable” she should have mentioned their concerns and interests that made them vote Republican. ---
**Author:** ![thickpancreas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@thickpancreas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thickpancreas)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/169 "2020-09-09T16:27:36Z")
BLM does not represent the views of all black people. Not even close. Though these politics have become so distorted that even a black person who says they don’t support BLM is considered a race traitor, an uncle tom. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/170 "2020-09-09T16:28:09Z")
You seem to be saying that extrinsic factors and the actions of others can sometimes serve to overwhelm “personal choice” and thwart somebody’s best efforts toward a given goal ? Hm. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/171 "2020-09-09T16:28:23Z")
> [@thickpancreas](#): > > BLM does not represent the views of all black people. Not even close. Though these politics have become so distorted that even a black person who says they don’t support BLM is considered a race traitor, an uncle tom. Are you asserting that not all black people believe that black lives should matter? ---
**Author:** ![thickpancreas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@thickpancreas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thickpancreas)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/172 "2020-09-09T16:30:01Z")
Actually the thread has been quite civil and productive, excluding your own comments. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/173 "2020-09-09T16:30:25Z")
> [@thickpancreas](#): > > I’ve worked in some of the worst highschools in my city. I’ve had black teenage students flat out tell me they planned to get pregnant and collect welfare when asked what they were going to do for work. I actually saw those same students carry pregnancies to term later on. > > There is a segment of the black community that sees nothing wrong with this behavior. I have also worked in poor schools too, suffice to say that I did not see any black students falling for that, one female Asian student did some strange disappearances involving older guys, yes, cops were informed and sadly the student dropped out. I will have to insist again, poverty is the main factor on causing that kind of “culture” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/174 "2020-09-09T16:30:50Z")
> [@thickpancreas](#): > > Actually the thread has been quite civil and productive, excluding your own comments. So you believe that slurring a party of millions for no reason is “civil and productive”? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/175 "2020-09-09T16:31:26Z")
> [@thickpancreas](#): > > Actually the thread has been quite civil and productive, excluding your own comments. Not really when one notices how you avoid evidence and counter testimonials. It can explain though the item reported by the OP. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/176 "2020-09-09T16:33:36Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Worse, someone that still hasn’t explained exactly what he wants the government to _do_. Hmm, why am I almost certain this ain’t ever gonna get answered? ---
**Author:** ![thickpancreas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@thickpancreas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thickpancreas)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/177 "2020-09-09T16:36:56Z")
What are you talking about? Testimonial is right here in above your post. I just need to provide more I guess? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/178 "2020-09-09T16:37:25Z")
Yes, it sends the message that no one is going to listen to you. If you don’t vote, they truly don’t care about you. Not in the slightest. That’s the message that you send. Is that what you intend them to hear? ---
**Author:** ![thickpancreas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@thickpancreas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thickpancreas)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/179 "2020-09-09T16:37:47Z")
Then I guess your experience and testimony is different than mine and we will have to agree to disagree, thats fine too. ---
**Author:** ![thickpancreas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@thickpancreas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thickpancreas)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/180 "2020-09-09T16:38:20Z")
I already addressed this in another comment. Please re read the thread. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041/181 "2020-09-09T16:38:56Z")
> [@thickpancreas](#): > > What are you talking about? Testimonial is right here in above your post. I just need to provide more I guess? 🤔 Ok, therefore the evidence I posted and my following testimonial are very valid and dismiss what you posted. They stand since you did not deal with them. I’m Ok with that. Don’t forget too that you claimed that only **iiiandyiiii** was uncivil, not explaining why a counter argument or evidence or just ignoring it is very rude. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-the-trump-defectors-having-such-little-impact-on-the-polls-and-trumps-chances/920041.md?page=10)