# Why are Trump and the Republicans polling better now? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 5, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-trump-and-the-republicans-polling-better-now/808255 "2018-02-05T20:27:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-trump-and-the-republicans-polling-better-now/808255/161 "2018-02-20T07:26:13Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Yes, he’s only one of the top legal minds and a Democrat. You have zero above him, and to be fair if you want to balance things, list a Republican source as credible and Alan who says Trump is in legal jeopardy, following something called the Constitution. > > Ready set, go! > > I suspect Alan’s intellectual honesty might cost him some blue cards here. Yes, because top legal minds don’t know better than to assume the end of an investigation before it’s been made public. Ri-ight. I don’t need to list a source to say this, for about the umpty-thousandth time: THE INVESTIGATION IS NOT OVER YET. And all those, including Judge Dershowitz :rolleyes:, who aren’t a part of the investigative team and say they know anything about what’s going on with it currently or what they have is talking through his ass as much as our unbeloved, ignorant, and irredeemable CiC. Intellectual honesty my ass. He just wants another 15 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-trump-and-the-republicans-polling-better-now/808255/162 "2018-02-20T11:32:31Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > What does he have and **if** he had anything don’t you think Muller if he had a proof would used it by now, 12+ months in. Your answer will tell me everything, No, Mueller doesn’t have anything. Only indictments or plea deals with 17 people and 3 companies. And still going. Yeah, that’s nothing. One other thing on Dershowitz. Evidence is fact, not opinion. No matter how much you try to fold, spindle, and mutilate it, I don’t care if he’s Og him/her/itself or Daniel Webster, it’s nothing but opinion. The FACT is that YOU’VE got nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-trump-and-the-republicans-polling-better-now/808255/163 "2018-02-20T11:48:22Z")
Dershowitz is defending Trump against criminal wrongdoing, eh? Guess that puts Trump in the company of OJ and Claus von Bulow. Sounds about right. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-trump-and-the-republicans-polling-better-now/808255/164 "2018-02-20T12:43:55Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > But I guess Democrats are okay with doing illegal things like deleted 33,000 state emails, or sending classified information over an insecure server. Your side has had its panties in a perpetual twist for two years now about the POTENTIAL access to classified documents by virtue of them being on an insecure server. Where is your outrage over people who have not gotten and can not get security clearances seeing and handling the nation’s most sensitive documents, up to and including the President’s Daily Briefing? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-trump-and-the-republicans-polling-better-now/808255/165 "2018-02-20T12:44:14Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > \*\*Yes, because top legal minds don’t know better than to assume the end of an investigation before it’s been made public. Ri-ight. > \*\* > I don’t need to list a source to say this, for about the umpty-thousandth time: THE INVESTIGATION IS NOT OVER YET. And all those, including Judge Dershowitz :rolleyes:, who aren’t a part of the investigative team and say they know anything about what’s going on with it currently or what they have is talking through his ass as much as our unbeloved, ignorant, and irredeemable CiC. > > Intellectual honesty my ass. He just wants another 15 minutes. **silver lining** isn’t accustomed to investigations that don’t leak like a sieve. This is what a professional investigation looks like, not the clown show that goes on in Congress. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-trump-and-the-republicans-polling-better-now/808255/166 "2018-02-21T19:30:50Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Your side has had its panties in a perpetual twist for two years now about the POTENTIAL access to classified documents by virtue of them being on an insecure server. Where is your outrage over people who have not gotten and can not get security clearances seeing and handling the nation’s most sensitive documents, up to and including the President’s Daily Briefing? It was proven rather quickly that Clinton deleted 33,000 emails, lied about sending classified information, and more. What has been proven here, and how much more time do you think Muller should have? If the investigation was just a few months old, okay, give him more time He’s got NOTHING and I’m sure if he had SOMEHTING, it would be news by now. > **[Mueller Investigation: Politics, Not Law Enforcement or Counterintelligence |...](https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/12/robert-mueller-trump-russia-investigation-michael-flynn-obama-administration-foreign-policy-israel/)** > > The end game of Mueller’s Trump–Russia investigation is political: the removal of the president from office. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-trump-and-the-republicans-polling-better-now/808255/167 "2018-02-21T19:35:37Z")
Muller’s team is full of Clinton supporters, hardly unbiased. Most won’t read it here or accepts facts. So read it Running Coach, and tell which person mentioned on his team was anti Trump. > **[Mueller has a partisan pack of wolves and an illegitimate investigation](https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/365365-muellers-has-a-partisan-pack-of-wolves-and-an-illegitimate-investigation/)** > > Given what we now know, it’s completely fair to ask if an investigation based on false pretenses and a fake dossier funded by Democrats is legitimate. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-trump-and-the-republicans-polling-better-now/808255/168 "2018-02-21T19:38:46Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Muller’s team is full of Clinton supporters, hardly unbiased. Most won’t read it here or accepts facts. So read it Running Coach, and tell which person mentioned on his team was anti Trump. > [http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/365365-muellers-has-a-partisan-pack-of-wolves-and-an-illegitimate-investigation](http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/365365-muellers-has-a-partisan-pack-of-wolves-and-an-illegitimate-investigation) The Hill. Opinion piece. It’s amazing you can strike out on two pitches. Again, provide _ **proof** _ the Clinton supporters are fabricating evidence. Otherwise, they’re just more motivated. ETA:Go back and read post 142. Notice who cleared the team of political bias. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-trump-and-the-republicans-polling-better-now/808255/169 "2018-02-21T19:47:28Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Muller’s team is full of Clinton supporters, hardly unbiased. Most won’t read it here or accepts facts. So read it Running Coach, and tell which person mentioned on his team was anti Trump. > [http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/365365-muellers-has-a-partisan-pack-of-wolves-and-an-illegitimate-investigation](http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/365365-muellers-has-a-partisan-pack-of-wolves-and-an-illegitimate-investigation) Meanwhile, from an impartial source (that is, a source that doesn’t sign tweets with #MAGA): > **[No, Mueller's staffers aren't all Hillary Clinton supporters](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/jun/26/donald-trump/trump-wrongly-calls-muellers-special-counsel-clint/)** > > Robert Mueller’s appointment as a special counsel to investigate possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russi ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-trump-and-the-republicans-polling-better-now/808255/170 "2018-02-21T20:18:11Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > It was proven rather quickly that Clinton deleted 33,000 emails, lied about sending classified information, and more. > > What has been proven here, and how much more time do you think Muller should have? If the investigation was just a few months old, okay, give him more time > > He’s got NOTHING and I’m sure if he had SOMEHTING, it would be news by now. > > [Mueller Investigation: Politics, Not Law Enforcement or Counterintelligence | National Review](https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/12/robert-mueller-trump-russia-investigation-michael-flynn-obama-administration-foreign-policy-israel/) You didn’t quite answer the question, let me try again: 1- Jared Kushner sees the most sensitive intelligence that the US has. Yet he does not have and can not get a security clearance and is more than likely subject to blackmail. Does that concern you? 2- Let’s assume that Hillary deleted 33,000 emails. So what? If they had classified info, they aren’t liable to be hacked anymore, are they? Do I understand you correctly in that you seem to be outraged that Hillary had sensitive information stored on her private server which has since been deleted and no longer vulnerable, but you have no concern whatsoever that Jared Kushner has access to everything, yet by the rules he should be allowed to see far less, if anything? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-trump-and-the-republicans-polling-better-now/808255/171 "2018-02-21T21:38:16Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > It was proven rather quickly that Clinton deleted 33,000 emails, lied about sending classified information, and more. > > What has been proven here, and how much more time do you think Muller should have? If the investigation was just a few months old, okay, give him more time Starr had seven years of investigation. And managed to produce one indictment against one person. In less than nine months, Mueller has produced three indictments against a total of 16 people and three companies, and gotten plea deals with three others and a fourth is pending (Gates, who was named in one of the indictments.) And we’re not even deep into the inner circle yet, and it’s all been in the news. Sorry, you don’t get to claim he has nothing. I still want to know what your vested interest in ending the investigation is, seeing as it has clearly been successful and isn’t finished. You claim not to be a Trump supporter, but you sure as hell sound like one. > [@](#): > > He’s got NOTHING and I’m sure if he had SOMEHTING, it would be news by now. > > [Mueller Investigation: Politics, Not Law Enforcement or Counterintelligence | National Review](https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/12/robert-mueller-trump-russia-investigation-michael-flynn-obama-administration-foreign-policy-israel/) And I’m sure if the sky was green it’d be raining cats and dogs. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-trump-and-the-republicans-polling-better-now/808255/172 "2018-02-21T22:13:48Z")
Meanwhile, back where we started… Trump’s over-under on his approval rating jumped [almost two points](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo) over the last few days. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-trump-and-the-republicans-polling-better-now/808255/173 "2018-02-21T22:20:15Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > He’s got NOTHING and I’m sure if he had SOMEHTING, it would be news by now. I’m not sure why I’m bothering, but if you dig deep into the news you will find that Mueller has made the news a few times recently. Maybe do a Google news search for ‘Mueller’ and see if anything comes up. ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-trump-and-the-republicans-polling-better-now/808255/174 "2018-02-23T01:01:01Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Meanwhile, back where we started… > > Trump’s over-under on his approval rating jumped [almost two points](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo) over the last few days. If there is a jump in Trump’s numbers, I suspect it might have to do with producing an indictment where all the important goalposts have been significantly moved. After hearing month after month about ‘collusion’ and ‘treason’ we get a dozen internet trolls charged a) not tied to Russian government or Putin b) not known to to Trump campaign c) having zero measurable effect on the election. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-trump-and-the-republicans-polling-better-now/808255/175 "2018-02-23T01:28:50Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > If there is a jump in Trump’s numbers, I suspect it might have to do with producing an indictment where all the important goalposts have been significantly moved. > > After hearing month after month about ‘collusion’ and ‘treason’ we get a dozen internet trolls charged > > a) not tied to Russian government or Putin > > b) not known to to Trump campaign > > c) having zero measurable effect on the election. [538 Trump approval tracker.](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo) Trump approval hit its all time low of 36.4% on December 16, 2017 and hit its highest point since early in his presidency of 41.5% on February 15, 2018. Since then it has dropped to where it stands right now at 40.6% on February 22, 2018. The indictment went public on February 16, 2018. With these facts in mind do you still suspect that the jump in Trump’s numbers are due to the indictment? ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-trump-and-the-republicans-polling-better-now/808255/176 "2018-02-23T03:38:28Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > [538 Trump approval tracker.](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo) > > Trump approval hit its all time low of 36.4% on December 16, 2017 and hit its highest point since early in his presidency of 41.5% on February 15, 2018. Since then it has dropped to where it stands right now at 40.6% on February 22, 2018. The indictment went public on February 16, 2018. > > With these facts in mind do you still suspect that the jump in Trump’s numbers are due to the indictment? Yeah it would probably take a couple of days for news to be reflected in polling results. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-trump-and-the-republicans-polling-better-now/808255.md?page=8)