# Why are you pro choice or pro life? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 1, 2021, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904 "2021-09-01T14:48:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904/361 "2021-09-28T18:53:05Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > “Progressive modern America is abandoning the definitions of man=adult male human and woman=adult female human, therefore allowing there to be male women and female men.” - Darren-Garrison What is the source for that quote? I’ve looked up both the quote and the name “Darren-Garrison” and found nothing so far. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904/362 "2021-09-28T18:58:52Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > > [@Crane](#): > > > > “Progressive modern America is abandoning the definitions of man=adult male human and woman=adult female human, therefore allowing there to be male women and female men.” - Darren-Garrison > > What is the source for that quote? I’ve looked up both the quote and the name “Darren-Garrison” and found nothing so far Try [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chronos-clarification-please/951378/30). ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904/363 "2021-09-28T19:00:35Z")
Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904/364 "2021-09-28T19:20:09Z")
De nada! ---
**Author:** ![Somethingwitty1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/somethingwitty1/32/8899_2.png) [@Somethingwitty1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Somethingwitty1)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904/365 "2021-09-28T22:47:35Z")
I fully support men and woman who get pregnant who choose to terminate the pregnancy. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2021, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904/366 "2021-10-23T10:20:08Z")
Back to the original question, among many things that convinced me abortion should be legal, was a study out of Czechoslovakia, back when there was a country called that. When there was a Czechoslovakia, the way abortion law worked was similar to the way it worked in some states before Roe v. Wade, except the committees were not attached to hospitals. Anyway, when a woman wanted an abortion, she went before a committee to plead her case, and was or was not given permission to have the abortion. I don’t think this included abortions that were for the mother’s health, like ectopic pregnancies, or pregnancies in women who were later found to have heart conditions, cancer, etc. At some point, in the very ealy 90s, there was a study comparing women who had been denied abortions, and so gone through with the pregnancy and kept the child, with women in very simimilar circumstances (economic, family support, presence of the father, and so on), with a child, but who had not sought an abortion. The results were much higher rates of child abuse among the women who had been denied an abortion-- much higher rates of intervention by their version of CPS. Higher rates of removal of the child for cause, and usually placement in a children’s home, or what was run more like an orphanage, except not all the kids were available for adoption. I have many other reasons for my stance on abortion, but this is just one. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904/367 "2022-02-14T23:54:51Z")
I’m pro choice because I don’t have lady parts. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904/368 "2022-02-15T10:04:09Z")
Zombie tread. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904/369 "2022-02-15T21:25:56Z")
Zombies don’t tread. They shuffle. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904/370 "2022-02-15T21:37:17Z")
More like a shamble, with a little stagger thrown in. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2022, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904/371 "2022-02-16T14:32:36Z")
Sounds more like [pirates](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAbou95lCd4) than zombies. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2022, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904/372 "2022-02-16T15:09:41Z")
Why are you pro-zombie or pro-life? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2022, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904/373 "2022-02-16T21:41:59Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > Zombie tread. You mean zombie tire. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904/374 "2022-02-24T02:43:33Z")
Damn zombies ---
**Author:** ![Mallard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Mallard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mallard)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2022, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904/375 "2022-04-07T06:07:35Z")
I think abortion is a terrible choice. But it’s still a choice that should be made by the woman, in consultation with her doctor and God. A private matter that legislatures have no business interfering. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904/376 "2022-04-07T17:10:13Z")
I’m pro-choice because I believe a woman, in consultation with her partner and her doctor, should be the ones to decide whether to bring a life into this world. Not everyone can afford it, you know? Not everyone _wants_ to have a child, either. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2022, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904/377 "2022-04-07T19:31:14Z")
I’m pro birth control before one has to make that decision followed by pro choice. I’ve been watching a lot of The Soft white underbelly on You tube. Mark Laita interviews people from skid row in LA or from where ever. Saddest stories you’ll ever hear , majority of their troubles are lingering from traumatic childhoods, many survivors of abuse by parents and step parents and from foster care providers. Now living a nightmarish existence getting by prostituting, coping with addiction and street violence. Keeping no money giving it to pimps. lil Many of these sad cases, women, have children themselves they they’ve given up to family or the system. Oddly they all state they’re against abortion and want to give the baby a life. but what are the odds a drug addicted mother who cycles in and out of their lives will improve their chances for a trauma free childhood. Vicious cycle. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904.md?page=18)