# Why aren't MAGAs getting scared? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 24, 2020, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450 "2020-09-24T22:50:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/201 "2020-10-21T00:17:37Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > From what I can gather they will call any Trump victory a landslide. He could win with the same numbers Bush got in 2000 and they would call it a landslide. Some are like that, but some others are convinced it will be a _genuine_ landslide. One was asking this week, in full seriousness, whether Trump could carry California or not. (Most of his fellow posters were still grounded enough in reality to tell him no way.) Others cited some Helmut Norpoth election model that shows Trump carrying the state of New York. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/202 "2020-10-21T05:44:52Z")
> **[Threatening emails telling voters to vote for Trump target Brevard County...](https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2020/10/20/brevard-voters-threatened-emails-purportedly-proud-boys/5997458002/)** > > The sender of the email claims to have "gained access to the entire voting infrastructure" Maybe that is why, they are just going to threaten or kill people who dont vote for trump. ---
**Author:** ![Paintcharge](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paintcharge/32/7946_2.png) [@Paintcharge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paintcharge)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/203 "2020-10-21T13:47:55Z")
The other day I heard some MAGAs interviewed saying that they lie to pollsters. So they don’t believe the polls. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/204 "2020-10-21T14:01:45Z")
Of course. To a vandal, everything deserves to be vandalized. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/205 "2020-10-21T14:04:47Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > For sure there is. Visit the LSU Tigers Political message board. Many are convinced not only that the polls are lying, but that Trump will win in a _ **landslide** _ . For sure one can find plenty of message boards where the enthusiasm – and confidence – remains undaunted. OTOH, I checked in to one of those (sports oriented) message boards the other day and found that the main election thread had been ominously quiet for a couple of weeks, only to have been recently re-opened with some posts qietly expressing concern about the polling. One poor fellow posted that he couldn’t understand the contradictions he was experiencing. Everywhere he looked were signs of Trump enthusiasm, packed rallies, truck rallies, boat rallies, yard signs, etc. But then he looked at the polls and couldn’t reconcile the contrasts. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/206 "2020-10-21T14:06:36Z")
> [@Paintcharge](#): > > The other day I heard some MAGAs interviewed saying that they lie to pollsters. So they don’t believe the polls. It seems that an enormous percentage of conservative message board posters and news story commenters are routinely polled several times a year. It’s a statistical miracle, I tell ya. And they all lie to the pollsters. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/207 "2020-10-21T14:10:35Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > If you can get someone to show up at a pizza shop to rescue the children being held captive in the basement, the idea that Hunter Biden is moments away from being executed for treason isn’t a stretch. The idea that rich people are smuggling kids around for illicit purposes (like Epstein actually did) or that businesses are a front for illegal activities aren’t ridiculous on their face. The lack of any actual connection to the Clintons or any evidence of the smuggling (including things like ‘the Pizza Parlor doesn’t have a basement’) require at least some looking into. It’s clearly not real, but the surface story is something that could happen - human trafficing has happened in the US in recent years, after all. Someone being executed for treason in the US has never happened. A shadowy group having such strong evidence that execuction is guaranteed, but no prosecutor or court having any of the evidence to start a case now doesn’t make sense even if you assume that Biden committed treason and there’s strong enough evidence that he’s sure to be executed. And the president can pardon treason with a stroke of a pen, so threatening the president’s kid with a possible treason conviction doesn’t make sense. To me, there’s a big difference between ‘this story is something that conceivably could happen, but there’s no actual evidence and big holes in the story as soon as you look’ and ‘this story doesn’t make sense without looking into whether any of it is true’. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/208 "2020-10-21T14:18:16Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > To me, there’s a big difference between ‘this story is something that conceivably could happen, but there’s no actual evidence and big holes in the story as soon as you look’ and ‘this story doesn’t make sense without looking into whether any of it is true’. To me, the people who will believe one story are the ones who will believe another. They _want_ to be lied to. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/209 "2020-10-21T14:39:03Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Someone being executed for treason in the US has never happened. - John Brown (Treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia) - Aaron Dwight Stevens (Treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia) - William Bruce Mumford (Treason under martial law) - Mary Surratt (Lincoln conspirator) - Max Stephan (Federal charge of treason) - Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed for conspiracy to commit espionage, but I think that counts as treason. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/210 "2020-10-21T14:55:49Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > - John Brown (Treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia) > - Aaron Dwight Stevens (Treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia) I was talking about treason against the United States, not state charges. This is also absurdly pedantic and completely ignores my earlier post where I was much more specific in what I was talking about, so I’m not going to keep on responding after pointing out the inaccuracies. If you think I need to reiterate an overly long, specific statement every time I refer to a given concept in a topic, I’m not interested. > [@](#): > > - William Bruce Mumford (Treason under martial law) I explicitly mentioned this earlier, and a reasonable respondent wouldn’t need me to specifically call out ‘not in martial law’ in every post where I reference the concept. > [@](#): > > - Mary Surratt (Lincoln conspirator) Not convicted of treason. > [@](#): > > - Max Stephan (Federal charge of treason) Not executed. > [@](#): > > - Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed for conspiracy to commit espionage, but I think that counts as treason. As you said yourself, they were not convicted of treason. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/211 "2020-10-21T16:45:08Z")
OTOH, I think it’s pretty clear that if Trump was elected and this iron clad proof of Hunter Biden’s horrifically treasonous misdeeds existed, an execution would not be out of the question. Which immediately raises the question of why this sure-thing trial and execution have to wait until after the election. If Trump had the evidence he could do it yesterday or 6 months ago. _That_ would certainly discredit those darn Lefties! Somehow that didn’t happen. Yes, I understand that this particular CT requires the “Socialist wing” to have the evidence, not DoJ or Trump. But those folks could certainly be coerced, or simply bribed, to cough up the info. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/212 "2020-10-21T17:28:37Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Which immediately raises the question of why this sure-thing trial and execution have to wait until after the election. I think it is pretty clear that the Deep State and its lackey Bill Barr are what is preventing this from happening now. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/213 "2020-10-21T17:44:10Z")
So now Bill Barr is on the outs with Trump? Damn! The action in this game is so fast it’s harder to follow than Chinese table tennis. The announcing is equally inscrutable too. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/214 "2020-10-21T18:46:20Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > It doesn’t matter if Biden is leading Trump by five percentage points or thirteen, “the polls were wrong before!” somehow covers every base and helps them dismiss everything right out of hand. > [@amarinth](#): > > Yep. Right now the 538 is telling me that of 100 identical universes, Biden wins in 87 of them. It does not tell me whether or not I’m in one of the 13 shitty universes. An important thing to bear in mind indeed. The polls _ **can** _ be wrong (or misleading) again in the same manner. Plus we expect even more suppression before and during and legal shenanigans after the voting. Hell I’d wait until the EVs are certified. > [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > To get back to the OP, I am wondering if the MAGAs aren’t just convinced that the lamestream media are just lying and Trump is just way ahead. If he loses anyway, they will believe the election was stolen. That is exactly what the talking points of Trump & Co. are all about right now. Make it so that the MAGAs will refuse to believe he could lose fair and square. (And in the process, establish as a baseline that there is no such thing as winning or losing fair and square and it’s all about who’s the wiliest and whose followers’ wrath do the weaklings in office jobs fear most) ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/215 "2020-10-22T08:05:46Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > But when you ask them about their support of Trump, IME it’s more emotional; they will often immediately talk about some scary threat, usually either imaginary or overbaked, that we need Trump to protect us from. Open borders, massive deficits (yes, I know), antifa terrorism, being forced to use different gender pronouns, doing China’s bidding etc etc. Having to say: “Happy Holidays” which respects all winter celebrations rather than their preferred “Merry Christmas”. Will the suffering for these unfortunate white, wealthy, “Christian” voters ever end??? Sure, a whole race of people (well- they were not sure about that designation for a long time) was enslaved for years and are often still denied equality - - - but being sneered at for saying Merry Christmas is a far worse fate for some of them. As a white male of privilege, I am disgusted by people who manage to make minor inconvenience into a catastrophe. I will have more to say once I read the entire thread, but I cannot believe that anyone considers that particular matter of any importance but I hear it every year. It is already starting this year. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/216 "2020-10-22T08:23:20Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > They don’t give a shit about our country, their countrymen, or in some cases even themselves and their own future. I think this is at the root of why they are the way they are: > _“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”_ ~President Lyndon B. Johnson These people desperately need to believe they are not the colossal losers that they are. They have gone so far down the rabbit hole that they are “better” they simply cannot bring themselves to admit they were wrong. They just keep doubling down. They have no concept of being able to accept that they were wrong. They will argue with you that 2+2=5 and never stop, never be swayed from their conviction. Their psyche is too fragile to handle that. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/217 "2020-10-22T11:29:15Z")
> [@Temporary\_Name](#): > > Having to say: “Happy Holidays” which respects all winter celebrations rather than their preferred “Merry Christmas”. Will the suffering for these unfortunate white, wealthy, “Christian” voters ever end??? My vote is that this year we switch to saying “All Holidays Matter” whenever someone talks about the War on Christmas. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/218 "2020-10-22T11:50:33Z")
That is pure Genius!!! Count me in! For contrast (or reinforcement) my favorite bumper sticker on point: > Put the SATURN back in SATURNALIA ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/219 "2020-10-22T14:41:20Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > My vote is that this year we switch to saying “All Holidays Matter” whenever someone talks about the War on Christmas. I am in! “All Holidays Matter”, it is the perfect response and it just rolls off the tongue. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-magas-getting-scared/921450/220 "2020-10-22T15:18:30Z")
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