# Why aren't there real life rape videos? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [July 18, 2007, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261 "2007-07-18T13:50:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Small\_British\_Shop\_Owner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@Small\_British\_Shop\_Owner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_British_Shop_Owner)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/1 "2007-07-18T13:50:47Z")
Now, correct me if I’m wrong, because I haven’t done any first hand research into this for obvious reasons, but I understand from the media that it is relatively easy to lay ones hands on child pornography. I’ve never heard about real life snuff videos though, be that rape or rape-murders. It doesn’t seem to me that it would be much harder or riskier to “produce” one of these videos and release it onto the internet than it would be to produce a video of child abuse. So why is there so many videos of abuse of one kind but not the other? ---
**Author:** ![Renob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8c91f0/32.png) [@Renob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Renob)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/2 "2007-07-18T13:59:23Z")
For one, I think it’s probably easier to victimize a kid than it is to victimize an adult. From what I understand, child pornographers can at times produce their product without the kids knowing they were being victimized. I don’t think you can say the same about rape or murder. But is there really a market for these videoes? Maybe I’ve never heard of such a market because of the absence of the product, but I don’t know that there are a lot of folks clamoring for real rape or snuff films. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/3 "2007-07-18T14:01:27Z")
Everything is on video nowadays. I note some British fishermen have been caught on a video killing dolphins, for example. So I presume at least some rape videos exist. ---
**Author:** ![Small\_British\_Shop\_Owner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@Small\_British\_Shop\_Owner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_British_Shop_Owner)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/4 "2007-07-18T14:02:08Z")
[QUOTE=Renob] For one, I think it’s probably easier to victimize a kid than it is to victimize an adult. From what I understand, child pornographers can at times produce their product without the kids knowing they were being victimized. I don’t think you can say the same about rape or murder. But is there really a market for these videoes? Maybe I’ve never heard of such a market because of the absence of the product, but I don’t know that there are a lot of folks clamoring for real rape or snuff films. [/QUOTE] There are some sick people out there, so I’m sure there’s a market. Or people could just record what they enjoy doing themselves. And I would have thought that people could just victimize the mentally handicapped (or comatoze)? ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/5 "2007-07-18T14:11:10Z")
[QUOTE=Renob] But is there really a market for these videoes? Maybe I’ve never heard of such a market because of the absence of the product, but I don’t know that there are a lot of folks clamoring for real rape or snuff films. [/QUOTE] You’d be amazed. Really. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/6 "2007-07-18T14:19:27Z")
The nearest I’ve seen, though, is on sites that make it perfectly clear that all pictures are posed for by models, and that their depiction of fantasy rape is emphatically not an endorsement of real rape, which they vilify. Since there have been people that have recorded violent assault on camera phones, though, I’d be astonished if there weren’t some genuine rape videos out there. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/7 "2007-07-18T14:51:34Z")
Maybe it’s just the case that the media hasn’t decided to sensationalize rape videos. Using child pornography as an example, there’s probably a 10000:1 ratio between the amount of videos people have heard exist to the ones that actually exist. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/8 "2007-07-18T14:56:47Z")
[QUOTE=Paul in Saudi] I note some British fishermen have been caught on a video killing dolphins, for example. So I presume at least some rape videos exist. [/QUOTE] British fishermen rape dolphins? ---
**Author:** ![Strinka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/strinka/32/512_2.png) [@Strinka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strinka)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/9 "2007-07-18T14:59:34Z")
That actually happened around here, I think last fall. Several high school boys raped a mentally challenged girl and videotaped it. They tried to sell it at their school and as you might imagine, got caught and arrested pretty quickly. I imagine that’s the reason it doesn’t happen more often. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/10 "2007-07-18T15:05:47Z")
[QUOTE=Small British Shop Owner] Now, correct me if I’m wrong, because I haven’t done any first hand research into this for obvious reasons, but I understand from the media that it is relatively easy to lay ones hands on child pornography. I’ve never heard about real life snuff videos though, be that rape or rape-murders. It doesn’t seem to me that it would be much harder or riskier to “produce” one of these videos and release it onto the internet than it would be to produce a video of child abuse. So why is there so many videos of abuse of one kind but not the other? [/QUOTE] If you want to be technical, any child pornography video would also be a rape video, if the child is below the age of consent. It may be statutory rather than forcible-stranger, but still rape. ---
**Author:** ![Small\_British\_Shop\_Owner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@Small\_British\_Shop\_Owner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_British_Shop_Owner)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/11 "2007-07-18T15:08:23Z")
[QUOTE=Max Torque] If you want to be technical, any child pornography video would also be a rape video, if the child is below the age of consent. It may be statutory rather than forcible-stranger, but still rape. [/QUOTE] Yes, I had considered that. In fact I was asking this question to do research for my (likely) next Great Debates thread, in which I propose that a lot of child pornography downloaders might just be rape fetishists. But I need the figures first. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Zagna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d2c977/32.png) [@El\_Zagna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Zagna)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/12 "2007-07-18T15:14:24Z")
In parts of Asia there is a growing problem of women being raped in trains on their daily commute. These trains are very crowded, and the MO is to get enough guys to surround the victim that they create a barrier to any witnesses. These rapes are often filmed and posted to the Internet. There is a word for this phenomenon but I can’t remember what it is. There are also sites devoted to it. I’m sure with a little googling you can find them. A caveat to anyone looking for titillation: Whatever erotic rape fantasies you may have will quickly evaporate when you see the look on these girls faces - and many are high school age girls. It’s pretty awful stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/13 "2007-07-18T15:18:10Z")
Maybe they don’t want a filmed record of their crime? (of course, the same could be said about child porn, so…) Who knows? ---
**Author:** ![T\_SQUARE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@T\_SQUARE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T_SQUARE)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/14 "2007-07-18T15:23:08Z")
[QUOTE=El Zagna] In parts of Asia there is a growing problem of women being raped in trains on their daily commute. These trains are very crowded, and the MO is to get enough guys to surround the victim that they create a barrier to any witnesses. These rapes are often filmed and posted to the Internet. There is a word for this phenomenon but I can’t remember what it is. There are also sites devoted to it. I’m sure with a little googling you can find them. A caveat to anyone looking for titillation: Whatever erotic rape fantasies you may have will quickly evaporate when you see the look on these girls faces - and many are high school age girls. It’s pretty awful stuff. [/QUOTE] Sounds like an urban legend or just a regular old porn shoot where the “victim” is an actress. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/15 "2007-07-18T16:26:13Z")
[QUOTE=Small British Shop Owner] Yes, I had considered that. In fact I was asking this question to do research for my (likely) next Great Debates thread, in which I propose that a lot of child pornography downloaders might just be rape fetishists. But I need the figures first. [/QUOTE] Well, some who’ve been found with child porn on their hard drives insisted they were merely “doing research.” Perhaps you should personally investigate what’s available on the web, since you find child / rape porn so fascinating. Don’t ask someone else to do your dirty work. Remember that “doing research” excuse. It might come in handy. ---
**Author:** ![chowder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@chowder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chowder)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/16 "2007-07-18T16:34:54Z")
Seconded ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/17 "2007-07-18T16:51:50Z")
[QUOTE=Small British Shop Owner] I’ve never heard about real life snuff videos though, be that rape or rape-murders. It doesn’t seem to me that it would be much harder or riskier to “produce” one of these videos and release it onto the internet than it would be to produce a video of child abuse. So why is there so many videos of abuse of one kind but not the other? [/QUOTE] [The Master Speaks on “Snuff” films](http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_258.html) (Although article may need updating since the arrival of cell phone cameras, etc.) ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/18 "2007-07-18T16:56:19Z")
[QUOTE=Paul in Saudi] Everything is on video nowadays. I note some British fishermen have been caught on a video killing dolphins, for example. So I presume at least some rape videos exist. [/QUOTE] Close. They were [Brazilian.](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19813646/) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Monkeysaretasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Monkeysaretasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monkeysaretasty)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/19 "2007-07-18T17:22:15Z")
Creepy internet pervert checking in. There are plenty of actual rape videos, along with every sexual deviancy imaginable, on Freenet, though it is slower than dirt. Rape videos are also widely available on various P2P networks as well, though there is a ton of fakes to sort through. ---
**Author:** ![T\_SQUARE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@T\_SQUARE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T_SQUARE)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261/20 "2007-07-18T17:38:44Z")
[QUOTE=Monkeysaretasty] Creepy internet pervert checking in. There are plenty of actual rape videos, along with every sexual deviancy imaginable, on Freenet, though it is slower than dirt. Rape videos are also widely available on various P2P networks as well, though there is a ton of fakes to sort through. [/QUOTE] How do you tell if it is real or not? Didn’t those “Faces of Death” videos look like pretty convincing snuff films but turn out to be fake? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-there-real-life-rape-videos/412261.md?page=2)