# Why aren't they ENORMOUS stars? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 12, 2008, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059 "2008-03-12T01:59:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/1 "2008-03-12T01:59:03Z")
Who should be megastars, but aren’t? [Linda Fiorentino](http://imdb.com/name/nm0000400/). Her performance in_The Last Seduction_ got Oscar buzz even though the film wasn’t ultimately eligible for Oscar consideration. She was totally genius brilliant in the role, a role that should have catapulted her to the highest levels of stardom. Instead, she hasn’t worked in years. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/2 "2008-03-12T02:03:07Z")
I’ve posted this before, but Thora Birch. Scarlet Johanssen sky rocketed after Ghost World, but she hasn’t really been as huge. (I’ve also had this answered–apparently after Ghost World, she needed time to cope mentally since she really got into the head of her character, Enid, a fairly troubled individual.) Still…I wish she were bigger than she is. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/3 "2008-03-12T02:36:26Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Who should be megastars, but aren’t? [Linda Fiorentino](http://imdb.com/name/nm0000400/). Her performance in_The Last Seduction_ got Oscar buzz even though the film wasn’t ultimately eligible for Oscar consideration. She was totally genius brilliant in the role, a role that should have catapulted her to the highest levels of stardom. Instead, she hasn’t worked in years. [/QUOTE] I believe Kevin Smith (not the classiest act in Hollywood himself) had some nasty things to say about working with Linda Fiorentino on his movie _Dogma_. Smith will usually speak openly about actors being difficult prima-donna diva types, so perhaps this has worked against her more than once. I know this has probably hurt Val Kilmer’s career as well, since he is also known for being hard to work with. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/4 "2008-03-12T02:53:41Z")
[QUOTE=Big Bad Voodoo Lou] I believe Kevin Smith (not the classiest act in Hollywood himself) had some nasty things to say about working with Linda Fiorentino on his movie _Dogma_. Smith will usually speak openly about actors being difficult prima-donna diva types, so perhaps this has worked against her more than once. [/QUOTE] Disappontment she wasn’t in MIB2 ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/5 "2008-03-12T03:06:16Z")
[Ciarán Hinds](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001354/) (aka Julius Caesar in _Rome_), although I think his star is on the rise. [Ryan Gosling](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0331516/), who’s turned his back on bigger stardom for smaller indie roles. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/6 "2008-03-12T03:10:41Z")
[QUOTE=Freudian Slit] I’ve posted this before, but Thora Birch…I wish she were bigger than she is. [/QUOTE] I dunno, I’d say she’s at _least_ a D, if not DD. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/7 "2008-03-12T03:13:53Z")
[QUOTE=Kythereia] [Ciarán Hinds](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001354/) (aka Julius Caesar in _Rome_), although I think his star is on the rise. [/QUOTE] He’ll probably never be as huge as he deserves to be, only because he’s older, and he’s just a solid actor who disappears into his roles. After _Rome_, I spotted him recently in _Phantom of the Opera_, and just saw him in _Miss Pettigrew Lives For a Day_. But I had no idea who he was back when I saw _Road To Perdition_, and I’d have to see it again to pick him out. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/8 "2008-03-12T03:24:32Z")
[QUOTE=bouv] I dunno, I’d say she’s at _least_ a D, if not DD. 😃 [/QUOTE] Hehe…yeah. I kinda walked into that one. [QUOTE=Big Bad Voodoo Lou] He’ll probably never be as huge as he deserves to be, only because he’s older, and he’s just a solid actor who disappears into his roles. After _Rome_, I spotted him recently in _Phantom of the Opera_, and just saw him in _Miss Pettigrew Lives For a Day_. But I had no idea who he was back when I saw _Road To Perdition_, and I’d have to see it again to pick him out. [/QUOTE] He was also in “There Will Be Blood” and “Munich.” Of course, I also don’t remember him in “Munich” since I saw it before I knew who he was. He’s also in a Broadway play right now called “The Seafarer” which I highly recommend–he’s awesome live, too. Incredibly brilliant actor. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/9 "2008-03-12T03:28:09Z")
[QUOTE=bouv] I dunno, I’d say she’s at _least_ a D, if not DD. [/QUOTE] Yeah, see, the thing is, this thread has absolutely nothing to do with the breast size of, well, anyone. So comments about the breast size of anyone are, how do I put this delicately, not only completely and utterly pointless but are actively disliked by the OP. Did you have anything at all to contribute that has even a remote connection to the theme of the thread, or is the only thing you have to contribute is “Thora Birch has big titties”? Because there are probably some “who has big titties?” threads where you could post about Thora’s big titties where it wouldn’t be a totally unwelcome disruption. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/10 "2008-03-12T03:28:14Z")
Ciaran Hinds, definitely! [QUOTE=Freudian Slit] He’s also in a Broadway play right now called “The Seafarer” which I highly recommend–he’s awesome live, too. Incredibly brilliant actor. [/QUOTE] Amazing play & Hinds was fantastic! So chilling! He’s such a nice guy too. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/11 "2008-03-12T04:34:48Z")
Alicia Witt. She’s beautiful enough, she’s talented enough, and doggone it, people _like_ her. My guess is she’s _too_ talented. Besides a degree in piano, she’s supposedly got an IQ pushing 180, which surely wouldn’t make life too pleasant in tinseltown. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/12 "2008-03-12T04:50:03Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Yeah, see, the thing is, this thread has absolutely nothing to do with the breast size of, well, anyone. So comments about the breast size of anyone are, how do I put this delicately, not only completely and utterly pointless but are actively disliked by the OP. Did you have anything at all to contribute that has even a remote connection to the theme of the thread, or is the only thing you have to contribute is “Thora Birch has big titties”? Because there are probably some “who has big titties?” threads where you could post about Thora’s big titties where it wouldn’t be a totally unwelcome disruption. [/QUOTE] Wow. Don’t pitch a fit. It was over until you decided to make it a federal case. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/13 "2008-03-12T04:53:57Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Yeah, see, the thing is, this thread has absolutely nothing to do with the breast size of, well, anyone. So comments about the breast size of anyone are, how do I put this delicately, not only completely and utterly pointless but are actively disliked by the OP. Did you have anything at all to contribute that has even a remote connection to the theme of the thread, or is the only thing you have to contribute is “Thora Birch has big titties”? Because there are probably some “who has big titties?” threads where you could post about Thora’s big titties where it wouldn’t be a totally unwelcome disruption. [/QUOTE] I think Mimi Rogers is very talented actress, and should have gotten more opportunties than she did, maybe it’s the Scientology thing, but I think it’s al least partially because her breasts are too big. Mimi Rogers has \*huge \* natural titties. I’m not normally a movie star big titty fan and IRL I could really care less, but in “[Full Body Massage](http://www.amazon.com/Full-Body-Massage-Format-Region/dp/B000G8NYFO/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1205297040&sr=8-1)” there were like these huge pneumatic pillows. If nothing else you had to admire their engineering. I mean, you know she’s buxom but noting prepares for the intro where she’s running around the house in a robe and a thong, and then she takes off her bra and the twin terrors are unleashed, and she then she crushes them against her chest with her arms while she looks at her rear end. Cheesy as it is, that scene defines erotic. ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/14 "2008-03-12T04:57:25Z")
[QUOTE=Big Bad Voodoo Lou] I believe Kevin Smith (not the classiest act in Hollywood himself) had some nasty things to say about working with Linda Fiorentino on his movie _Dogma_. Smith will usually speak openly about actors being difficult prima-donna diva types, so perhaps this has worked against her more than once. I know this has probably hurt Val Kilmer’s career as well, since he is also known for being hard to work with. [/QUOTE] Yeah I read that she was pretty difficult. Janeane Garafalo was also not shy in mentioning that she was difficult, and they only had one scene together. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/15 "2008-03-12T04:58:49Z")
[QUOTE=Beware of Doug] Alicia Witt. She’s beautiful enough, she’s talented enough, and doggone it, people _like_ her. My guess is she’s _too_ talented. Besides a degree in piano, she’s supposedly got an IQ pushing 180, which surely wouldn’t make life too pleasant in tinseltown. [/QUOTE] I was surprised to see her as a regular on Law & Order: Criminal Intent (partnered with Chris Noth). I don’t catch that one that often but was glad to see that at least she’s got a regular gig. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/16 "2008-03-12T05:22:38Z")
I had desperately hoped Alicia Witt would’ve been cast as Mary Jane Watson in the Spider-Man movies, but instead they went with Kirsten Dunst, who I didn’t care for. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/17 "2008-03-12T05:56:19Z")
I’m pretty sure I’d heard the Linda Fiorentino is a monster to work with thing before _Dogma_, because I remember being surprise that Smith cast her. There have been a lot of entertainers over the years who have diva’d themselves right out of the business. Chevy Chase is the first one that comes to mind, but it’s a long list. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/18 "2008-03-12T06:51:37Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] [Linda Fiorentino](http://imdb.com/name/nm0000400/). Her performance in_The Last Seduction_ got Oscar buzz even though the film wasn’t ultimately eligible for Oscar consideration. She was totally genius brilliant in the role, a role that should have catapulted her to the highest levels of stardom. Instead, she hasn’t worked in years. [/QUOTE] In addition to Kevin Smith, I’ve read that people she worked with on Men in Black didn’t much care for her attitude either. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/19 "2008-03-12T14:05:56Z")
I’m always surprised that an amazingly talented actress like Tilda Swinton isn’t more famous. ---
**Author:** ![It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/it_s_not_rocket_surgery/32/312_2.png) [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/It_s_Not_Rocket_Surgery)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059/20 "2008-03-12T14:33:13Z")
I nominate Alfre Woodard. I remember watching _Star Trek: First Contact_ and noticing that her acting was just on a different level from the rest of the cast, including Patrick Stewart. Of course, if she hasn’t made it big by now, it’s not likely to happen. 55-year-old actresses don’t seem to strike it rich, unless they’re British. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-they-enormous-stars/441059.md?page=2)