# Why can't airstrikes give anti-Isis fighters an overwhelming advantage? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [October 12, 2014, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-airstrikes-give-anti-isis-fighters-an-overwhelming-advantage/701115 "2014-10-12T16:40:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2014, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-airstrikes-give-anti-isis-fighters-an-overwhelming-advantage/701115/41 "2014-10-19T21:14:10Z")
Negotiations failed when Iran laid down the law and pulled the strings necessary to allow Iraq to successfully form a government, which was conditional on Iraq not renegotiating a SOFA with the US that would allow troops to stay. ---
**Author:** ![mobocracy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@mobocracy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobocracy)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-airstrikes-give-anti-isis-fighters-an-overwhelming-advantage/701115/42 "2014-10-20T02:38:27Z")
> [@IMfez](#): > > I guess I don’t understand war very well because I would have thought that control of the skies would give anti-Isis fighters an unbeatable advantage. > > - Jet fighters to knockout major convoys, supply lines, enemy buildings and fortifications. > > - Attack helicopters for surgical strikes against infantry, trucks, maybe tanks in dense urban locations. > > But this isn’t the case. Even with ground support from local armies, ISIS seems to be taking large territories including the city that’s grabbing headlines in the news right now, Kobani. > Can someone give me a better picture as to why our airpower and current ground support doesn’t seem to be sufficient? > > The answer I’ve heard in the news is that the ground power of Isis is better than the Kurds, but this feels like an unsatisfying answer to me given the significant airpower advantage. My guess is that the US is really only able to provide precision strikes on well-defined targets which would mean obvious concentrations of troops or equipment or structures. There’s no forward air controllers or spotters to provide tactical support against “hot” enemy positions plus I doubt we’re flying the kinds of planes or at ranges where they can provide low-level air support with weapons like 30mm cannon. Definitely no helicopter support. I think recently they’ve managed some coordination between ground and air allowing for limited tactical abiiity – maybe providing them with IR laser illuminators that can ID a target for a plane overhead to target, so at least they bomb something an active part of the battle. The enemy in this case is well organized but still a largely irregular force fighting in a semi-organized guerilla fashion, blending easily into the civilian infrastructure and probably willfully using residential and civilian facilities as cover. Viet Nam showed the effectiveness of using strategic air assets (big bombers dumping massive payloads) against tactical targets but you have to be willing to accept the bad with the good. We could carpet-bomb ISIS occupied parts of Kobani and probably end the siege, but that part of Kobani would be a rubble field afterward with everything, including civilians, destroyed. Watch any decent documentary footage of Khe Sanh – at the beginning of the seige, the area around Khe Sanh is a lush forest. After the siege, the the B-52 “Arclight” srikes used against the NVA left the area a defoliated moonscape. The headlines would read “Indiscriminate US attacks defeat ISIS, leave humanitarian refugee crisis by reducing city to rubble”. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-airstrikes-give-anti-isis-fighters-an-overwhelming-advantage/701115/43 "2014-10-20T16:52:55Z")
> [@runningdude](#): > > The President chose cheap political gain by withdrawing the troops before the 2012 election. The President could have done the unpopular thing, leaving support troops in place to keep the country relatively stable. He may have had to “break” his promise, but not all campaign promises can possibly be kept, especially ones that involve controlling groups actively undermining our nation. He might have even lost the election over failing to withdraw troops, but at least he would not be responsible for allowing a violent group that even Al Qaeda found intolerably extreme undo what 4500 US troops gave their lives to build. How many more decades do you think we should stay in Iraq? ---
**Author:** ![runningdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@runningdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/runningdude)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-airstrikes-give-anti-isis-fighters-an-overwhelming-advantage/701115/44 "2014-10-20T22:39:32Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > How many more decades do you think we should stay in Iraq? I don’t care. We have technically never left Germany. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-airstrikes-give-anti-isis-fighters-an-overwhelming-advantage/701115.md?page=2)