# why cant we do a kick starter campaign and buy the rights to the dope ? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [August 2, 2018, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953 "2018-08-02T00:03:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/21 "2018-08-02T15:38:27Z")
What would be the point of buying the board when you could move everyone to a new board and only pay the hosting fees. The Straight Dope doesn’t have any value going forward. ---
**Author:** ![Delicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@Delicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Delicious)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/22 "2018-08-02T15:55:44Z")
It’s an investment! Fill it up with bitcoins and tulips and wait for the money to roll in. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/23 "2018-08-02T16:52:18Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Just curious … does Sun-Times Inc own any other newspapers? … AIUI now that they’ve sold the _Reader_, the Sun Times Media Group owns only the _Chicago Sun Times_. They used to be a lot larger. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/24 "2018-08-02T17:30:10Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > [Roadside America employees launch Kickstarter campaign to buy display](http://www.lvb.com/article/20180508/BERKS/180509883/roadside-america-employees-launch-kickstarter-campaign-to-buy-display) > > The owner of Roadside America decided to retire and put up his business for sale. Three employees of the company decided they wanted to buy the display, which is part of the business assets. The three employees started a Kickstarter campaign with an all or nothing outcome. Specifically they wanted to, “…buy the display, move it and restore it.” That’s an art project. If we wanted to have a kickstarter to support the publication of another Straight Dope book, that might work to. Although the owners of the brand would probably have to lead it. A Kickstarter to buy a whole business is another matter. STM Reader, LLC could run a kickstarter to refurbish their website. TV Tropes did that. Thinking it over, there _might_ be a way to make this work: I haven’t gone through Kickstarter’s guidelines in general. (So kudos for running a check on my POV.) But an advanced commitment to sell for a fixed price would have to be involved. Also an actual buyer, probably with capital of their own (I bid $3.72). The kickstarter would be a publicity adjunct. The analogy might be the Kickstarter that was run for [Atlas](http://flavorwire.com/416757/the-atlas-shrugged-iii-kickstarter-is-even-worse-than-you-think) Shrugged [III](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/atlasshrugged/atlas-shrugged-movie-who-is-john-galt/comments). :dubious: One key consideration is that Kickstarter doesn’t like to involve itself with equity sales. Passage of a ~2013 law makes this legal, but they have good reasons for steering away from crowd muppeting. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/25 "2018-08-02T17:33:25Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > What would be the point of buying the board when you could move everyone to a new board and only pay the hosting fees. The Straight Dope doesn’t have any value going forward. It’s potential value lies in its brand, which is worth more to a media organization than a small non-for-profit bulletin board. So yes, agreed. Unfortunately “Cecil Adams” has more value than “Straight Dope”. And IIRC they could not trademark the former. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/26 "2018-08-02T18:23:32Z")
I think this is still on topic although it’s starting to feel far afield in the weeds at this point. > [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > One key consideration is that Kickstarter doesn’t like to involve itself with equity sales. Passage of a ~2013 law makes this legal, but they have good reasons for steering away from crowd muppeting. OK, I went to check on [Kickstarter’s rules](https://www.kickstarter.com/rules). Their guidelines are: > [@](#): > > “Projects must create something to share with others.” > > “Projects must be honest and clearly presented.” > > “Projects can’t fundraise for charity.” > > “Projects can’t offer equity. > Investment is not permitted on Kickstarter. Projects can’t offer incentives like equity, revenue sharing, or investment opportunities.” > > “Projects can’t involve prohibited items.” There’s no prohibition on buying a business, from what I can see. What’s prohibited is people buying a project as a revenue sharing platform. That makes sense. Who is going to account for someone’s $5 share in a business and distribute profits accordingly? If the OP was looking for that, then yes, it wouldn’t work, both from a logistics view and Kickstarter’s rules. However, if the OP was looking to start a fund to buy the rights back and leave the message board as self-funding (or not), that might be within the rules. btw, I looked up crowd muppeting on two search engines. Your reference on this board is the only hit I saw. Even the author you mention doesn’t have any hits on that phrase. I don’t get the sense that it has become very popular, has it? My guess is that the logistics in accounting for that on such a small scale makes it less appealing. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/27 "2018-08-02T19:39:17Z")
Or we could send a couple heavyset folks in: “Nice message board you got here. It’d be a shame if something happened to it. Ooops. Was that your coffee cup?” Anyway: Note: starting up a “new” board has several problems. First, how are newbies going to find it? (This will eventually become a problem with the current board with Cecil retiring.) Second, it’s would not be possible to bring the database of old threads to the new board. So replying to old threads and such gets weird. And in turn this leads to: Third, if this board “dies” due to all the regulars leaving it will be shut down. No access to old threads or anything. Period. That would be very bad. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/28 "2018-08-02T20:43:55Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > That doesn’t really answer the question. Suppose you decide to launch a KS campaign and set a goal of $100,000 to buy the rights to the Straight Dope. Now say your campaign is successful and you collect the money. You go to Sun-Times Media, show them your sack full of money - and they tell you the price is $200,000. > > What do you do now? Pocket the money? Give it back? > > What happens if Sun-Times Media says they aren’t interested in selling the rights? > What happens if they’re willing to sell for $100,000 and your KS campaign ends up collecting $200,000? What happens to the leftover money? > > And these are all just issues involving the sale. What happens afterwards if you are successful in buying the Straight Dope? What exactly do you have? An archive of newspaper columns? The right to publish new Straight Dope books? > > Who exactly is going to own The Straight Dope if this deal goes through? You? > > Do you have any idea what’s involved in running a newspaper column? How much does it cost? How do you find newspapers that will carry the column? How do you distribute the column to the papers that carry it? I’m assuming The Chicago Reader and Sun-Time Media knows these things but we don’t. > > Ed Zotti’s 67 years old. Do you know if he has any interest in signing back up to work on the column again? How much he gets paid? > > If you want to be serious about this, you need to start contacting people and getting answers to these questions. When you have some commitments from people, then you can consider looking for financing. first id see if they wanted to sell and price before anything would be started wed kill the print angle and just make it online and as I said run better ads that the skeezzy ones we seem to get now if ed wanted to stay retired we could fall back on the advisory board and keep tuba doing board stuff and if anyone takes this seriously enough you could offer shares as for any extra money that would be simple that would go towards keeping the board ad free as long as possible ---
**Author:** ![DCTrekkie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dctrekkie/32/18862_2.png) [@DCTrekkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCTrekkie)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/29 "2018-08-02T21:03:53Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Someone would need to negotiate with the owners about likely selling prices up front. It might be worth doing. But of course there are also maintenance costs for a website. They aren’t very large, but they aren’t nothing. Someone would have to pay to keep it hosted, etc. We might even need to pay an administrator. For ongoing costs you’re probably better off with something like Patreon. You can have tiered options based on whats raised each month, $x pays for hosting, $y pays for hosting + ad free, $z dollars pays hosting, ad free & 1 column a week etc. Then if people pay up they get the service they want, if they don’t they can’t complain. If you made enough you could fund the column from that, and only worry about syndicating to bring in new members. Alternatively, I remember a few years ago Penny Arcade did a kickstarter to raise 1 years worth of ad-free hosting, plus development of a couple of web series (which they raised easily). The plan then was to run a new kickstarter each year, although I can’t remember whether they went head with the second year in the end. The question is, are there enough core members willing to pay a high enough rate to make it viable. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/30 "2018-08-02T21:04:16Z")
Disclaimer: this is not an official statement from the USPTO. > [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Unfortunately “Cecil Adams” has more value than “Straight Dope”. And IIRC they could not trademark the former. The _Reader_ applied for a trademark and someone probably could get “Cecil Adams” registered if so desired; might involve changing the name of the column from “The Straight Dope” to “Ask Cecil Adams”, though. After all, Ann Landers is a registered trademark. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/31 "2018-08-02T23:58:12Z")
> [@DCTrekkie](#): > > For ongoing costs you’re probably better off with something like Patreon. You can have tiered options based on whats raised each month, $x pays for hosting, $y pays for hosting + ad free, $z dollars pays hosting, ad free & 1 column a week etc. Then if people pay up they get the service they want, if they don’t they can’t complain. If you made enough you could fund the column from that, and only worry about syndicating to bring in new members. > > Alternatively, I remember a few years ago Penny Arcade did a kickstarter to raise 1 years worth of ad-free hosting, plus development of a couple of web series (which they raised easily). The plan then was to run a new kickstarter each year, although I can’t remember whether they went head with the second year in the end. > > The question is, are there enough core members willing to pay a high enough rate to make it viable. Well, I wouldn’t chip in anything unless the deal was to drop the ads for everyone. Or at least stick to discrete, well-behaved ads. (And I have no idea how to do that, this website has much nastier ads than anyplace else I go on the internet, so it can certainly be improved.) I wasn’t thinking of buying “the straight dope”. You need an AUTHOR on board for that, and it doesn’t sound like there is one. I was thinking of just buying the message board. Message boards are pretty cheap to run, and if you bought the rights to it, you could port the old threads and user IDs and such somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/32 "2018-08-03T00:21:46Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > There’s no prohibition on buying a business, from what I can see. What’s prohibited is people buying a project as a revenue sharing platform. That makes sense. Who is going to account for someone’s $5 share in a business and distribute profits accordingly? There are plenty of stocks that list for less than $1 per share. They are called penny stocks. There are also a lot of scammers in the investment world - penny stocks are a favorite venue. I understand that a number of crowd funding websites have come and gone. One of the challenges is keeping scammers away. Kickstarter’s procedures are designed to do just that. I see no evidence that Sun Times is interesting in liquidating the Straight Dope brand, which I’m guessing has more value (such as it is) than this website. There was once a Straight Dope television show. Could happen again, ya never know. Hope springs eternal. ---
**Author:** ![DCTrekkie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dctrekkie/32/18862_2.png) [@DCTrekkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCTrekkie)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/33 "2018-08-03T14:01:15Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Well, I wouldn’t chip in anything unless the deal was to drop the ads for everyone. Or at least stick to discrete, well-behaved ads. (And I have no idea how to do that, this website has much nastier ads than anyplace else I go on the internet, so it can certainly be improved.) I’ve only used patreon from the pledger side, but I belive you have 2 sets of tiers. One is based on how much the individual user pays and then you have the overall funding tiers for the site. So you could say that anyone who pays $x per month gets an ad-free experience for themselves, but also have a funding goal across all users of $y per month that removes ads for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/34 "2018-08-03T15:58:31Z")
> [@Delicious](#): > > It’s an investment! > > Fill it up with bitcoins and tulips and wait for the money to roll in. Or we could collect a pair of underpants from every member and then: PROFIT!!! I mean, there’s probably a middle step in there but I’m sure it will all become clear sooner or later. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/35 "2018-08-03T16:12:15Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Or we could collect a pair of underpants from every member and then: PROFIT!!! I mean, there’s probably a middle step in there but I’m sure it will all become clear sooner or later. I believe that “middle step” is illegal in about 38 states. ---
**Author:** ![Clothes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5e925/32.png) [@Clothes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothes)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/36 "2018-08-03T23:37:26Z")
Whoa - there was a Straight Dope television show? I just looked it up on IMDb. It is listed as “Comedy - TV Series (1996 - )”. Does that mean it is still ongoing? And I didn’t know this? Cecil Adams is listed as Creator, someone called Mike Lukas as Host. Mike’s last credit was back in 2000, when he played “Bald Guy with Frog on Head”. Under Episode Guide, it says 0 episodes. The residuals must be substantial. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/37 "2018-08-03T23:49:38Z")
> [@Clothes](#): > > Whoa - there was a Straight Dope television show? > > I just looked it up on IMDb. It is listed as “Comedy - TV Series (1996 - )”. Does that mean it is still ongoing? [Just a few episodes in '96](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=858403), sadly. ---
**Author:** ![Heracles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heracles/32/487_2.png) [@Heracles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heracles)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/38 "2018-08-04T08:37:18Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > That way **we can drag cecil back** and he can finish the 3 millon unanswered questions on the web site and not have to worry about the papers \*\*if we deicide \*\*? (Bolding mine) Cecil’s retirement is actually a form of _deicide_. - ducks behind sandbags \* ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953/39 "2018-08-05T16:58:52Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > How would this kick starter work? If you reach your projected goal and it isn’t enough(or the board just isn’t for sale) will you return the money? If you somehow reach your goal and _and_ you somehow acquire the SDMB, who actually owns it, and who actually runs it? [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21128904#post21128904](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21128904#post21128904) This current/exact thread I at least read everything so a link to the other may be worth throwing in. 😉 Basically in terms of what I mentioned; a sort of “Friends” group. Say a half-dozen of the older or wiser hands agreeing on a plan and properly incorporating it. Its done for everything from historic sites to message boards and while not every result is without problems, enough have worked well enough over the years to make it at least worth consideration [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-we-do-a-kick-starter-campaign-and-buy-the-rights-to-the-dope/818953.md?page=1)