# Why cops and their unions don't care about the public **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 5, 2017, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876 "2017-08-05T23:16:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/21 "2017-08-06T03:50:36Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Good grief, your reading comprehension is less than negligible. The part you quoted below does not say what you stated it did in your asinine broad-brushing and, let’s face it, fucking stupid OP. I think the last paragraph of my quote does. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/22 "2017-08-06T03:53:15Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > I think the last paragraph of my quote does. This whole thread has just shown the caliber of that thinking. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/23 "2017-08-06T04:14:38Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > This whole thread has just shown the caliber of that thinking. I’m glad in your world that there is nothing wrong with the police and justice system. ---
**Author:** ![Hocus\_Pocus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/41988e/32.png) [@Hocus\_Pocus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hocus_Pocus)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/24 "2017-08-06T04:15:14Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > We all have to do things we don’t like at work. My post regarding compensation is that most cops don’t make $40k. They make well over the average person. Really? We all have to work a second, unscheduled shift? We all have to work most holidays? Why do you hate the concept of overtime & holiday pay? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/25 "2017-08-06T04:18:49Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > I’m glad in your world that there is nothing wrong with the police and justice system. And where the fuck did I say that? Seriously, dude; are you posting drunk or just posting stupid? ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/26 "2017-08-06T04:23:07Z")
> [@Hocus\_Pocus](#): > > Really? > > We all have to work a second, unscheduled shift? We all have to work most holidays? > > Why do you hate the concept of overtime & holiday pay? Overtime and holiday pay is a waste of money. Why pay more for the same service? ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/27 "2017-08-06T04:24:50Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > And where the fuck did I say that? Seriously, dude; are you posting drunk or just posting stupid? Neither, there are major issues with the cops and the judicial system. The shit is broke and the cops on other threads think nothing is wrong with it. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/28 "2017-08-06T04:30:43Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > Neither, there are major issues with the cops and the judicial system. The shit is broke and the cops on other threads think nothing is wrong with it. And yet you still didn’t answer the direct question I put to you. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/29 "2017-08-06T04:40:41Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > And yet you still didn’t answer the direct question I put to you. You can read the other two threads in the Pit related to cops. I’m not dredging through them for the exact quote. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/30 "2017-08-06T04:44:55Z")
Nope. The question I put to you is where did I say there is nothing wrong with the police and justice system? Quote where I did. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/31 "2017-08-06T04:48:47Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Nope. The question I put to you is where did I say there is nothing wrong with the police and justice system? Quote where I did. You are correct. You did not say or imply that there are not issues with cops were you live. ---
**Author:** ![Hocus\_Pocus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/41988e/32.png) [@Hocus\_Pocus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hocus_Pocus)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/32 "2017-08-06T04:52:02Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > Overtime and holiday pay is a waste of money. Why pay more for the same service? You must be a huge fan of _karoshi._ ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/33 "2017-08-06T04:58:23Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > You are correct. You did not say or imply that there are not issues with cops were you live. And where did I say there are no issues with cops or the justice system anywhere? Here’s a fun exercise for you: search this board for my posts about police and justice. Then come back and apologize for your asinine stunt here. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/34 "2017-08-06T05:05:09Z")
[quote=“Monty, post:33, topic:792876”] And where did I say there are no issues with cops or the justice system anywhere? Here’s a fun exercise for you: search this board for my posts about police and justice. Then come back and apologize for your asinine stunt here.[/QUOTE You have been the one on the attack. Why do you say this is an “asinine stunt”? There are serious issues that need to be addressed. There is the financial side of things and the social/community side of it. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/35 "2017-08-06T05:06:13Z")
The asinine stunt in this thread is twofold: 1. Broad-brushing. 2. Flat out dishonesty of what other posters have said. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/36 "2017-08-06T05:11:22Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The asinine stunt in this thread is twofold: > > 1. Broad-brushing. > 2. Flat out dishonesty of what other posters have said. I will call shenanigans to broad brushing. There are issues all over the country related to le, their unions, and communities. It is broke and needs fixing. What are you saying is dishonest? ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/37 "2017-08-06T06:40:10Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > There is another thread regarding pensions. Cops (and firefighters and sanitation workers and others) are bankrupting cities Not in my [state](https://projects.jsonline.com/news/2016/9/26/wisconsins-fully-funded-pension-system-is-one-of-a-kind.html) they’re not. Many municipalities and counties also are in the state pension plan which is fully funded. An example for the entire nation. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/38 "2017-08-06T07:42:32Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > I will call shenanigans to broad brushing. There are issues all over the country related to le, their unions, and communities. It is broke and needs fixing. > > What are you saying is dishonest? Look in this thread. What you have stated others have said is not what they have said. And you are completely pulling nonsense out of your tush and pretending that is what I have posted. How is that not dishonest? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/39 "2017-08-06T08:10:40Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > Most cops are making over $100k with overtime and moonlighting to watch Denny’s while in uniform at $60/hr. If Denny’s is paying $60 an hour to the guy who walks around with a flashlight and tells loiterers to move along, then I picked the wrong line of work. > [@UCBearcats](#): > > Overtime and holiday pay is a waste of money. Why pay more for the same service? Why would I take a job that expects me to work double shifts and holidays without extra compensation? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876/40 "2017-08-06T09:14:23Z")
> [@UCBearcats](#): > > Most cops are making over $100k with overtime and moonlighting to watch Denny’s while in uniform at $60/hr. They are well paid. The system doesn’t work as a defined benefit with all risk on the general public. I fucking care as I have to pay for these people to be retired longer than they work. In case anyone ( **Steophan** ) is wondering what anti-cop bias looks like, here’s a hint. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cops-and-their-unions-dont-care-about-the-public/792876.md?page=3)