# Why defend fundies if we are at war with ignorance? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 26, 2004, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235 "2004-02-26T03:56:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/481 "2004-03-05T15:39:37Z")
> [@jkim78](#): > > And let’s not pretend that the girls arent in it for the money… Um, is this hate speech? ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/482 "2004-03-05T16:12:04Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > From [Dictionary.com](http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bigot), we get this from the definition of that oh-so-popular word, ‘bigot’: > > That certainly describes the gay crowd around here. Kettles, you have a call from pots, line 3. Imagine my surprise. Another drive by post by **Brutus** that totally ignores any of the substantial points raised in this debate. You, sir, are a puffed up cowardly blowhard. The bleating posts that you make have no more meaning than the whistling of the winter wind. If you have something to say about this issue, say it. Stand and be counted, make your thoughts on the issue known. Any fool can take pot shots, but it takes character to unambiguously lay your stance on the line and take your lumps. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/483 "2004-03-05T16:12:45Z")
In rereading my second post from last night, I wish I’d found a better way to express myself. The anger was real, but my framing of it was over the top. I apologize for crossing a kind of icky line. Still, though, am I gonna hafta be the one to say it? - > [@lissener](#): > > cunting godwhore - Band name! ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/484 "2004-03-05T17:30:38Z")
That may be, **lissener** , but you’re not going to pretend the post before that one (about living 🙂_now!_:)) wasn’t a fricking work of art. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/485 "2004-03-05T18:56:55Z")
Yes, yes it was. He may want to try free lance writing. BTW, Jersey is too ignorant to be reached- so give up. She already told me I am known for having a personality disorder. So that makes her a liar too. But we want to see more rants like that, youre good, liss. The point all seem to not answer is HOW indeed does gay marriage hurt? Aside from the fact that instantly millions of people will then start rushing to marry their dogs, lawn mowers, etc… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/486 "2004-03-05T19:06:30Z")
I thank you, matt an nilla. And my lawnmower thanks you. ---
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/487 "2004-03-05T19:23:09Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > I thank you, matt an nilla. And my lawnmower thanks you. I predict a short, choppy relationship. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/488 "2004-03-05T19:34:52Z")
This is specifically for **vanilla** : **Jersey** is NOT ignorant and you, dear girl, are two faced. If you don’t know what I mean, pm me over on the other board and I’ll tell you. I’m sorry, but I had to say something, especially since she isn’t going to answer my pm. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/489 "2004-03-05T19:40:33Z")
> [@lynn73](#): > > This is specifically for **vanilla** : > > **Jersey** is NOT ignorant and you, dear girl, are two faced. If you don’t know what I mean, pm me over on the other board and I’ll tell you. > > I’m sorry, but I had to say something, especially since she isn’t going to answer my pm. Weren’t you going to go away? ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/490 "2004-03-05T19:42:38Z")
Didn’t say I was going permanently. I do have to peform some work during the day, you know. Have a nice day. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/491 "2004-03-05T19:46:37Z")
P.S. I might come and post for awhile and then you might not hear from me for six months. _shrug_ I come and go as I desire without making special announcements. When I said I gotta go, I meant to work. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/492 "2004-03-05T19:50:25Z")
> [@lynn73](#): > > **Jersey** is NOT ignorant and you, dear girl, are two faced. If you don’t know what I mean, pm me over on the other board and I’ll tell you. You know, **Lynn** may actually be right about this. I mean, **JerseyDiamond** has been at this board long enough to have heard the truth. Her refusal to consider the possibility that she’s wrong isn’t ignorant, it’s just plain stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/493 "2004-03-05T19:54:46Z")
> [@lynn73](#): > > Didn’t say I was going permanently. I do have to peform some work during the day, you know. Have a nice day. Oh well, can’t blame me for hoping. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/494 "2004-03-05T19:55:34Z")
:rolleyes: I guess if anyone anywhere wants to know the truth about anything, come to the Dope because they have it, right? :rolleyes: They are all knowing, infallible and if you dare to disagree _gasp_, who knows what the consequences will be! Sorry, couldn’t resist! All in good fun… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/495 "2004-03-05T19:58:19Z")
lynn, don’t get your blessed undies in a bunch. From Webster’s: _Ignorant_: Lacking education or knowledge. It doesn’t mean you’re stupid, it just means that, regarding whatever topic is at hand, you’ve chosen not to devote a lot of time and energy into learning a whole lot about it. It’s not even an insult. If your faith leads you to choose not to educate yourself on the workings of evolution, fine; totally your choice. Ditto, if you choose not to educate yourself on the life and perspective of gay people. Totally your choice. So don’t bristle at the word “ignorant.” Embrace it, be proud, wear it as a badge of your faith. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/496 "2004-03-05T20:08:52Z")
Oh yeah, almost forgot. I’ve got a Bible verse for you, **Lynn** : > [@](#): > > _1 Thessalonians 5:21_ > Test everything. Hold on to the good. Hmm. Sounds to me like God doesn’t want you to just take His word for it, but wants you to check things out for yourself. Maybe he doesn’t want you to just say “Because the Bible says so” but actually wants you to go out and research things. Sounds like a reasonable suggestion to me. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/497 "2004-03-05T20:30:07Z")
> [@lynn73](#): > > :rolleyes: I guess if anyone anywhere wants to know the truth about anything, come to the Dope because they have it, right? :rolleyes: They are all knowing, infallible and if you dare to disagree _gasp_, who knows what the consequences will be! > > Sorry, couldn’t resist! All in good fun… 😃 People disagree with each other vehemently all the time. The difference vbetween most people here and you, **Lynn73** , is that they try to use reasoned arguments to back up their positions, whereas you sound like a skipping CD, "The Bible says. . . , The Bible says. . . , The Bible says. . . " You have closed your mind to any new information and you have completely lost the ability to think through an arguemtn. If any datum conflicts with your primitive notions, you ignore it. That makes you a very annoying person to talk with. There is a quote from Shakespeare that is very apropos to your style of argument: “I think so for no other than a woman’s reason; I think so because I think so.” ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/498 "2004-03-05T20:54:03Z")
**Vanilla** Has a good point: > [@](#): > > The point all seem to not answer is HOW indeed does gay marriage hurt? Yes. How? What difference does it make, for you; bible reading people, if two people who love each-other, get married? Why would YOU be bothered with it? What is it to YOU? Gay people have been married for years, here. No-one objects. Most marriages are good, some are bad and they get a divorce. Just like “real” people, huh. :rolleyes: I truly don’t understand the bigotry I read here. It’s like I’ve gone back in time. It makes me sad as well. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/499 "2004-03-05T21:56:30Z")
> [@lynn73](#): > > This is specifically for **vanilla** : > > **Jersey** is NOT ignorant and you, dear girl, are two faced. If you don’t know what I mean, pm me over on the other board and I’ll tell you. > > I’m sorry, but I had to say something, especially since she isn’t going to answer my pm. No, **Lynn** , you’re wrong. **JerseyDiamond** _is_ ignorant. And she admits it. Which is whay she’s actually been trying to understand things lately. I respect that, and respect her for it. I still think her comments in this thread and elsewhere have been a pretty piss-poor witness, mind you, but that’s as may be. More on that in a moment. As a personal note–you asked elsewhere why you always seem to make people mad over here? No, you’re not expected to “say what they want to hear.” You’re merely expected not to be a jerk. However intentionally or unintentionally, you have a big problem succeeding at that. You often come across as sanctimonious, arrogant, ignorant, or bitchy. I guess you really don’t mean to, except perhaps for the sanctimonious part. But really, if you still don’t understand why you come across as you do, I don’t know that you ever will. Or can. Oh, and one last thing . . . Jersey’s martyred cries notwithstanding, merely being a conservative Christian on this MB is _not_ a death sentence. You know that very well. She hasn’t been banned, you haven’t, lots of people haven’t. Joe was banned for being a jerk, deliberately and with malice aforethought. When she tells someone to get off the cross, perhaps she needs to look in the mirror as well. I ain’t saying . . . I’m just saying. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/500 "2004-03-05T23:00:32Z")
Lynn, your wrong again. Jersey is deliberately nasty, the nastiest “christian” I’ve seen, excepting her husband. She lied about me, I have no personality disorder. She is a liar, pure and simple. Not to mention arrogant, sanctimonious and without compassion. I’d like to see evidence of my two-facedness if you will. Lynn, you called all on here “idiots”. Why bother posting here then? There are christians on here, just because they don’t beleive exactly as you doesn’t mean they aren’t just as saved. Anyway, back to the usual “why gays are icky sinners?” pit thread. 🆒 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235.md?page=26)