# Why defend fundies if we are at war with ignorance? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 26, 2004, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235 "2004-02-26T03:56:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2004, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/521 "2004-03-07T20:00:54Z")
If not **Punha** , how about **NoClueBoy**? Or both of them?! šŸ˜ƒ Failing that, [Broad British Country Voice]I suppose I could, lads. Just let me get me skivvies off.[/Broad British Country Voice] CJ ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2004, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/522 "2004-03-07T20:12:09Z")
nah, fi they BOTH ran naked together, people would say they were gay (scandalous!!!) Something tells me Seigs will have a video cam readyā€¦ šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2004, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/523 "2004-03-07T20:32:01Z")
> [@vanilla](#): > > waiting for iampunha to run naked thru here just to finish this thread with a flourish. Your wish ā€¦ well, _this_ wish my my command;) ::runs through thread nekkid:: ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2004, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/524 "2004-03-07T20:38:01Z")
**WOOOOOOOoooooooo!** yay! Thank you, now go get dressed! (do you think any fundies were lookin?) :o ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2004, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/525 "2004-03-07T20:42:37Z")
And I got the tape! Those of you who want copies, let me know. The proceeds will to go a nice wedding present for **impunha**. Nice to know heā€™s still got his old form! šŸ˜ƒ CJ ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2004, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/526 "2004-03-07T20:46:47Z")
apologies to gobear for this irreverence, but fundies need to be shown irreverence. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2004, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/527 "2004-03-07T21:02:56Z")
> [@vanilla](#): > > **WOOOOOOOoooooooo!** > > yay! > Thank you, now go get dressed! > (do you think any fundies were lookin?) :o Iā€™m sure their eyes mentally inserted fig leaves (more than one necessaryā€¦) where appropriate:D ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2004, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/528 "2004-03-07T22:18:59Z")
> [@vanilla](#): > > apologies to gobear for this irreverence, but fundies need to be shown irreverence. Hence, this thread. Nothing exorcises fundies like laughing at them. ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2004, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/529 "2004-03-07T23:17:06Z")
I never called Lib a fundie vanilla, and suggesting I did is being entirely dishonest. I can provide a recent thread in which Lib very deliberately suggests that Athiests as a whole should ā€œstand upā€ and ā€œgrow more ballsā€ and be more handstabby (in so little words), like REAL athiests, blah blah blah, AKA the recent jehova witness thread, do you wish me to provide a link to libs posts? I will be more than willing to do that, In nearly 14k posts, I am sure several hundred are him referring handstabbing athiests, and 3/4 of those suggest, more than subtlely in most cases, that ALL athiests are such. (except a few he names by name, like Gaudere for example) Ask and you shall recieve. ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2004, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/530 "2004-03-07T23:18:44Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > How did this turn into another **Libertarian** pitting? Most pit threads that lib enters eventally center around him. He is an attention whore, I am just giving him his due. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2004, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/531 "2004-03-07T23:36:11Z")
> [@Epimetheus](#): > > Most pit threads that lib enters eventally center around him. He is an attention whore, I am just giving him his due. Iā€™ve been listening to the **Avenue Q** OCR and one of the songs seems apropos to you two: > [@](#): > > The more you love someone, the more you want to kill 'em > The more you love someone, the more he make you cry ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2004, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/532 "2004-03-08T00:14:37Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Iā€™ve been listening to the **Avenue Q** OCR and one of the songs seems apropos to you two: Yeah, what about ā€œfamiliarity breeds contempt?ā€ I admire Libertarians knowledge and am in somewhat awe of his intelligence in some ways, so yeah, I suppose your comparison could be vaild. Doesnā€™t mean I have to LIKE him though, or respect him as a person. (why respect a bully, even if he does have quite a bit of friends) ---
**Author:** ![jkim78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@jkim78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jkim78)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2004, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/533 "2004-03-08T01:28:13Z")
> [@iampunha](#): > > They are criminals because theyā€™re broken the law. And _nobody_ is allowed to have sex with children. And _nobody_ is allowed to have same sex marriage tooā€¦ so why are you against paedophilia again? ---
**Author:** ![jkim78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@jkim78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jkim78)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2004, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/534 "2004-03-08T01:38:29Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > I find it rich that **jkim78** (judging by his name and bad English, Iā€™m guessing heā€™s a Korean living in Australia, so Iā€™m going to insult the _sangnom_ in _hangukmal_) is bringing up child prostitutes in a discussion of homosexuality because the child sex trade is driven almost entirely by heterosexual pedophiles. Bad english? errā€¦ Anyway your Korean sux. Did I ever say child sex trade was driven by poofs? I dont think so. And how can you say almost entirely? Cites? Ignorant, stupid and illiterateā€¦ together with gayā€¦ wowā€¦ > [@gobear](#): > > Now, if I were a _wang pabo_ like the cerebrally-deprived _jkim78_, Iā€™d condemn all hetero men as pedophiles, not recognizing that the criminal aberrants who harm children have **no** connection to the majority of regular straight men. Errā€¦ how the fuck do you figure this outā€¦ riiiiightā€¦ all men are paedophilesā€¦ just like all men are homosexualsā€¦ yupā€¦ thatā€™s itā€¦ > [@gobear](#): > > But a _shiphal kaeseki_ like the sad **jkim78** would not be able to contemplate two contrastring thoughts at the same time in the lamentably microcephalic chamberpot he calls his skull. Booked any flights to Thailand or the Philippines lately, **jkim78** , you _hangmun_? Two contrasting? Learn to read english before you reply, you faggot. ---
**Author:** ![jkim78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@jkim78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jkim78)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2004, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/535 "2004-03-08T01:45:40Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > I find it rich that **jkim78** (judging by his name and bad English, Iā€™m guessing heā€™s a Korean living in Australia, so Iā€™m going to insult the _sangnom_ in _hangukmal_) is bringing up child prostitutes in a discussion of homosexuality because the child sex trade is driven almost entirely by heterosexual pedophiles. Bad english? errā€¦ Anyway your Korean sux. Did I ever say child sex trade was driven by poofs? I dont think so. And how can you say almost entirely? Cites? Ignorant, stupid and illiterateā€¦ together with gayā€¦ wowā€¦ > [@gobear](#): > > Now, if I were a _wang pabo_ like the cerebrally-deprived _jkim78_, Iā€™d condemn all hetero men as pedophiles, not recognizing that the criminal aberrants who harm children have **no** connection to the majority of regular straight men. Errā€¦ how the fuck do you figure this outā€¦ riiiiightā€¦ all men are paedophilesā€¦ just like all men are homosexualsā€¦ yupā€¦ thatā€™s itā€¦ > [@gobear](#): > > But a _shiphal kaeseki_ like the sad **jkim78** would not be able to contemplate two contrastring thoughts at the same time in the lamentably microcephalic chamberpot he calls his skull. Booked any flights to Thailand or the Philippines lately, **jkim78** , you _hangmun_? Two contrasting? Learn to read english before you reply, you faggot. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2004, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/536 "2004-03-08T02:43:13Z")
> [@jkim78](#): > > And _nobody_ is allowed to have same sex marriage tooā€¦ so why are you against paedophilia again? At the risk of attempting to educate the ineligible, SSM (same-sex marriage) is permissible in more than one country, and movements are currently underway in a handful of areas in this country to allow for it. I remain in steadfast support of laws protecting children from pedophiles because, among other reasons, the very nature of the manifestation of pedophilia provides for nothing for the child. The child is raped, molested, abused, what have you. The pedophileā€™s principle thought (beyond, of course, the naked child) is to avoid getting caught. The notion that a pedophile-victim system is in any meaningful way comparable to two human consenting adults of any gender is so preposterous as to seriously call into question what education you have on the matter, **jkim**. Or, really, what education you have beyond being able to type. And _do_ check the first page of this thread, dear being, for a more in-depth look at my sexuality than what you have thus far displayed. Oh, one last thing. That whole throwing around terms for homosexuals as slurs? Verboten here. Might want to stop doing that before a moderator puts you in your place - the bottom of Frank Burnsā€™s cesspool, in your case. Best of luck running a phone line down there. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2004, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/537 "2004-03-08T03:22:23Z")
Yes, **Epimetheus** , you are acting like an asshole. Now, thatā€™s not necessarily a bad thing. But recognizing it is the important step. And as near as I can tell **vanilla** in no way suggested you called Lib a fundie. So it seems your ragging on her is unnecessary, premature, andā€“dare I say it?ā€“kinda assholish. In short, do try to get over yourself, thereā€™s a good lad. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2004, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/538 "2004-03-08T03:27:30Z")
**jkim78** blustered: > [@](#): > > Two contrasting? Learn to read english **two** \Two, n. 1. The sum of one and one; the number next greater than one, and next less than three; two units or objects. 1. A symbol representing two units, as 2, II., or ii. In two, asunder; into parts; in halves; in twain; as, cut in two. **contrasting** Contrast \Con\*trast", v. i. [imp. & p. p. Contrasted; p. pr. & vb. n. Contrasting.] [F. contraster, LL. contrastare to resist, withstand, fr. L. contra + stare to stand. See Stand.] To stand in opposition; to exhibit difference, unlikeness, or opposition of qualities. The joints which divide the sandstone contrast finely with the divisional planes which separate the basalt into pillars. --Lyell. \*Source: Websterā€™s Revised Unabridged Dictionary, Ā© 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. \* Looks like english to me. What the fuck are you on about? ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2004, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/539 "2004-03-08T04:29:55Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Looks like english to me. What the fuck are you on about? Heā€™s taking the tried and true ā€œattack the typoes, not the typistā€ style of debate. Itā€™s the equivalent of ā€œI know you are, but what am I?ā€ in terms of both relevancy and efficacy. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2004, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235/540 "2004-03-08T06:07:01Z")
Ohhhhhhhh. I get it. There was an extra R in there, wasnā€™t there? Well, I think _that_ certainly qualifies as assholery of the first order. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-defend-fundies-if-we-are-at-war-with-ignorance/231235.md?page=28)