Could I have misspelled more words.
Shelton is with the Edwards campaign, fwiw. Always consider the source and his possible motivations.
Actually, I thought that they had done a lot more research on the wreck, and had pretty solidly said that the coal bin explosion should be the lead theory.
Cite? According to this source, the U.S. effectively declared war on Spain:
I will agree, however, that the popular press probably had more to do with precipitating the war than the administration did. I guess that makes the Bush administration even worse than McKinley’s!
Clinton’s lies were not limited to his sex life, although you have to admit the nation was so obsessed with sex that it overshadowed everything else he did. Such as destroying a pharma factory in Sudan, claiming it was making nerve gas, and bombing Serbia saying there was a genocide.
I’m willing to give him as much benefit of the doubt as I give Bush on Iraq, but you’d think that some of the same people who rush to call Bush a horrible liar would hold Clinton to the same standards. If they did, Clinton would look very unfavorable in that light.
adaher: But Bush’s lies and deception on policy started long before Iraq…See, for example, here. (In fact, I don’t even know if what happened in terms of Iraq was a lie on his part or extreme self-deception about what he thought he knew.)
There were those of us here on the SDMB who were arguing back in the beginning of the year (i.e., before the war began) that given Bush’s history of lying on policy so far, we had no reason to believe him on Iraq. In fact, I was accused at least once of believing the word of Saddam over Bush. (I actually believed neither of them since both had proven to have such little credibility and I felt we had to go on what evidence we could glean independently, like through the inspection process.) However, I must admit that even I didn’t expect that the gulf between what Bush said and what the reality has so far turned out to be in regards to WMD would be as wide as it is.
I heard recently that Spain declared war first. The U.S. back-dated its declaration so as to appear first. This site details the story.
Do you think the same thinking went into opposing Clinton’s war in Kosovo, or do you think it was mainly just partisan ranting?
I can understand people having misgivings about the Iraq war over mistrusting Bush, but most of what I see around here and other discussion boards is just as partisan as it was during the Kosovo war, when wannabe Tom Delays were calling Clinton a war criminal.
At least the Chomskyites have been consistent. They’d throw both Bush and Clinton in a slammer and swallow the key.
Another ludicrous conspiracy theory. It makes no sense whatsoever. American popular opinion and politicians were spoiling for war for long time before it happened while Spain had everything to lose and nothing to win and had been trying to avoid it. To say Spain declared war on the USA is just ludicrous. The USA declared the war it wanted on Spain and the Maine was the excuse it needed.