# Why did Judas commit suicide? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 6, 2012, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619 "2012-01-06T13:25:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/41 "2012-01-09T13:49:28Z")
For whatever reason, the conventional gospels state his betrayal, the gospel of Judas states some higher level plan, it appears he lost divine protection, perhaps willingly, perhaps not. Without divine protection and mercy our world is unbearable and he needed to exit it through death. It is my belief that it would almost take arch-angelic ability to be able to stand in our world without divine protection, the gospel of Judas seems to indicate that Judas was a ‘advanced soul’ from what I have heard of it and may be at that level. Even in the conventional gospels Judas is called by Jesus a ‘devil’, which is a very powerful level being. As I take it demon = fallen angel, devil = fallen arch angel. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/42 "2012-01-09T14:01:54Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > As I take it demon = fallen angel, devil = fallen arch angel. And where in the Bible did you find this little tidbit of information? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/43 "2012-01-09T14:14:22Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > According to the NT,Judas threw the money on the floor and didn’t keep it! According to Acts 1:18-19, he bought a field with the money. It’s one of the more famous contradictions in the Bible. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/44 "2012-01-09T14:21:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And where in the Bible did you find this little tidbit of information? Scriptures use a different word for devil and demon, so they are different beings. Matt 25:41 states the ‘Devil and his angels’ which would seem to indicate that the devil is in command, on a higher level, then the angels. In Rev 12:7-9 you see a direct comparison of 2 armies, Arch Angel Micheal and his angels vs. Satan and his angels. [QUOTE= Rev 12] 7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. [/QUOTE] Interestingly enough the exact same verse you refuse to acknowledge that ID’s the serpent in the Garden of Eden as Satan ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/45 "2012-01-09T14:29:27Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > Although there is no Pharaoh who drowned, that is mentioned in any of Egypt’s History. Ramses the second was not drowned, and went on to have 50 sons( if I remember right). Nowhere does the book of Exodus claim that Pharoah drowned. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/46 "2012-01-09T15:09:50Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Scriptures use a different word for devil and demon, so they are different beings. > > Matt 25:41 states the ‘Devil and his angels’ which would seem to indicate that the devil is in command, on a higher level, then the angels. > > In Rev 12:7-9 you see a direct comparison of 2 armies, Arch Angel Micheal and his angels vs. Satan and his angels. > > Interestingly enough the exact same verse you refuse to acknowledge that ID’s the serpent in the Garden of Eden as Satan All that, and you still didn’t answer the question I asked. If you are still on that “Satan was in the Garden of Eden” kick, take note that while Ron Jeremy is known as “The Hedgehog”, that doesn’t mean that hundreds of porn actresses slept with a small mammal. _A_ serpent tempted Adam and Eve-_The Serpent_(a nickname for Satan) was a protagonist in the Final book of the Bible. The next time you check the IDs of your bad guys, try to notice that _a_ serpent has no arms or legs and slithers on the ground, while _The Serpent_ doesn’t. edited to add: The word is “Archangel”, not “Arch Angel”, and his name is “Michael”, not “Micheal”. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/47 "2012-01-09T16:15:31Z")
You really would think that Jesus (with his God hat on) would give poor Judas a break when he died, being as it was part of the divine plan for him to drop the dime on his master. Instead he ends up being gnawed on eternally by the devil like a hairy popsicle (see Dante). Judas must be really pissed. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/48 "2012-01-09T16:25:18Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > All that, and you still didn’t answer the question I asked. > If you are still on that “Satan was in the Garden of Eden” kick, take note that while Ron Jeremy is known as “The Hedgehog”, that doesn’t mean that hundreds of porn actresses slept with a small mammal. _A_ serpent tempted Adam and Eve-_The Serpent_(a nickname for Satan) was a protagonist in the Final book of the Bible. The next time you check the IDs of your bad guys, try to notice that _a_ serpent has no arms or legs and slithers on the ground, while _The Serpent_ doesn’t. > edited to add: The word is “Archangel”, not “Arch Angel”, and his name is “Michael”, not “Micheal”. yw ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/49 "2012-01-09T16:32:25Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > yw ?? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/50 "2012-01-09T16:43:19Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > ?? > **[Urban Dictionary: yw](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yw)** > > yw: Abbreviation that means \[you're welcome\] > Used to \[reply\] back to someone saying, \[ty\] ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/51 "2012-01-09T16:48:13Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > [Urban Dictionary: yw](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yw) I know what the hell it means-but(and I suppose it was to be expected) your saying it made no sense. In no way, shape or form did I thank you for your contribution to this conversation. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/52 "2012-01-09T16:58:35Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I know what the hell it means-but(and I suppose it was to be expected) your saying it made no sense. In no way, shape or form did I thank you for your contribution to this conversation. You asked me where I got it from. I showed you, also pointed out that historically you have had a hard time with that section in the past, which a typical reply would be to thank me, and my reply to that would be your welcome. It also appears that you may still having trouble with that section so may I suggest perhaps more study as we will continue to repeat thing till we learn. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/53 "2012-01-09T17:03:05Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > You asked me where I got it from. I showed you, also pointed out that historically you have had a hard time with that section in the past, which a typical reply would be to thank me, and my reply to that would be your welcome. > > It also appears that you may still having trouble with that section so may I suggest perhaps more study as we will continue to repeat thing till we learn. Perhaps this might go better if you responded to the actual conversation going on instead of the imaginary one going on in your head. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/54 "2012-01-09T17:18:42Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > Although there is no Pharaoh who drowned, that is mentioned in any of Egypt’s History. Ramses the second was not drowned, and went on to have 50 sons( if I remember right). I’m sure you are aware of the typical response to this statement, but I’ll make it anyways for others: “The Egyptians have been shown to cover up the existence of at least one Pharaoh. Their history books rarely portray Egypt in a bad light, covering up the negative.” Whether that last part is true, I’ll let more knowledgeable people debate. I assume you are also aware that the question given in the OP requires taking the stories as given, in the same way that asking a question about Star Trek technology requires imagining that their stories are real. Oh, and that Ramses II is an extra-Biblical addition to the story–the Pharaoh himself is left unnamed. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/55 "2012-01-09T17:21:55Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Perhaps this might go better if you responded to the actual conversation going on instead of the imaginary one going on in your head. I’m sure he will when you do likewise. You may dispute his explanation, but he did answer the question you specifically asked. The conversation can’t continue until you explain what you find wanting in his explanation, and your lack of desire to do so would tend to indicate that discussion with you is not possible. I also must laugh at the irony of you objecting to a sarcastic and dismissive reply. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/56 "2012-01-09T17:26:35Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I’m sure you are aware of the typical response to this statement, but I’ll make it anyways for others: “The Egyptians have been shown to cover up the existence of at least one Pharaoh. Their history books rarely portray Egypt in a bad light, covering up the negative.” Whether that last part is true, I’ll let more knowledgeable people debate. > > I assume you are also aware that the question given in the OP requires taking the stories as given, in the same way that asking a question about Star Trek technology requires imagining that their stories are real. Oh, and that Ramses II is an extra-Biblical addition to the story–the Pharaoh himself is left unnamed. Again: the Bible does not claim that Pharoah drowned. His army (or the portion of his army pursuing the Israelites) drowned, but the text does not specifically say that Pharoah was also. I like the way it was portrayed in _The Prince of Egypt_. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/57 "2012-01-09T17:40:35Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I’m sure he will when you do likewise. You may dispute his explanation, but he did answer the question you specifically asked. The conversation can’t continue until you explain what you find wanting in his explanation, and your lack of desire to do so would tend to indicate that discussion with you is not possible. > > I also must laugh at the irony of you objecting to a sarcastic and dismissive reply. A verse saying that Satan used to be an archangel would be in order, along with one stating that the angels that fought along side him became demons. The idea that Satan was a fallen angel perhaps came from Luke 10:18(“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven”), but this could also be interpreted as “Satan fell, in much the same way that lightning falls from Heaven”, instead of “Satan fell from heaven, like lightning falls.” I(and many others) have also pointed out the vast difference between the serpent described in Genesis, and The Serpent(and also referred to as The Dragon) in Revelation. ---
**Author:** ![lockmat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@lockmat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lockmat)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/58 "2012-01-09T17:42:13Z")
> [@Disposable Hero](#): > > but rather committing suicide in the mistaken belief that he couldn’t be forgiven. Yes, Judas had worldly repentance, but not true repentance. 2 Corinthians 7:10-13 shows what worldy and true repentance looks like: > [@](#): > > 10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death. 11 See what this godly sorrow has produced in you: what earnestness, what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what alarm, what longing, what concern, what readiness to see justice done. At every point you have proved yourselves to be innocent in this matter. 12 So even though I wrote to you, it was neither on account of the one who did the wrong nor on account of the injured party, but rather that before God you could see for yourselves how devoted to us you are. 13 By all this we are encouraged. [2 - - Bible Gateway](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2) Corinthians+7&version=NIV ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/59 "2012-01-09T22:34:59Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > According to Acts 1:18-19, he bought a field with the money. It’s one of the more famous contradictions in the Bible. As Judas was under 18 at the time, could he even legally have purchased property? Didn’t the laws of Rome/Israel have requirements for being of the age of majority before being able to make such a contract? I know under current laws a minor can’t make a valid contract, and I understood that legal concept came from way back. So there seem to be some holes in the story in _Acts_, besides it’s contradiction to other parts. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2012, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-judas-commit-suicide/608619/60 "2012-01-10T00:32:09Z")
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